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Old 06-15-2016, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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The company built an artificial lake and bordered it with an artificial beach and furnished their fake beach with furniture to attract the masses. The lake is fed by an aqueduct that crosses a major road. It all sounds and looks quite controlled to me.
Except for the fact that it isn't. That's the point: the appearance of a controlled, completely benign place is an illusion. (And a dangerous one!)

Mind you, sunning yourself on that artificial beach in the middle of the day is going to be a low-risk activity. Even entering the water during mid-day isn't going to be extremely hazardous, although the risk of an alligator attack is non-zero. Dawn, dusk, or at night is a different matter. The risks go up substantially then.

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They, at one time, allowed swimming on the lake...
At a time when the alligator population in Florida was much lower than it is today.

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Other areas of Florida, on both public and private property display alligator warning signs but they would interfere with the aura promoted by Disney and no doubt affect their bottom line.

Disney was well aware of the population of gators in the area but it was not in their best financial interest to share that information with their customers.
Exactly. They deliberately chose not to warn people of a known hazard, and that's a problem, especially given that most of their guests come from parts of the world where alligators don't exist.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Deep 13
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The signs sort out the ignorant from the idiotic. The ignorant will read the sign, learn from it, and heed the warning. The idiotic will ignore the signs and do what they will, sometimes with tragic results. I feel bad for the ignorant who are hurt simply because of a lack of knowledge. But as for the idiotic - let Darwin do what he wills with them. If they have no sense of self-preservation, that's not our problem to remedy.
Something like this?

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Old 06-15-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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The thing is you can fairly well assume that every body of fresh water is going to have a gator in it.

They are just that pervasive.

Moving them to the Everglades or shooting them at sight is not going to solve any issues.
Over time it will. That their numbers had shrunk to the levels they had shrunk to prior to the 70s shows taht. They certainly shouldn't have gone as far as they did in the 70s making it illegal to practically stare at the things. When it's to the point that a body of water in DISNEY isn't safe, it should be obvious their numbers need to be reduced by whatever means necessary.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Something like this?
If you ignore a sign like that, you deserve what comes next. (And the danger of a waterfall is a lot more easily seen to the naive than the danger of encountering an alligator in a freshwater pond in Florida. I can see someone not understanding the latter danger if they don't know much about alligators, but the waterfall danger is obvious!)
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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Over time it will. That their numbers had shrunk to the levels they had shrunk to prior to the 70s shows taht. They certainly shouldn't have gone as far as they did in the 70s making it illegal to practically stare at the things. When it's to the point that a body of water in DISNEY isn't safe, it should be obvious their numbers need to be reduced by whatever means necessary.
Last time I was there, I noticed that the Everglades doesn't have fences around it. Moving gators there is a temporary fix until they move to other territory.

Shooting them? Sure. Just make sure you get them all, and the eggs too.

Or, perhaps don't go swimming in an unprotected body of water.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:56 PM
 
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Enough with the thing about signs. Little kids don't read, horsing-around teens don't pay attention, and adults are distracted. Why not the obvious?? Erect a huge barrier chainlink FENCE around all bodies of water at Disney World. This is a DISNEY crime, not keeping their patrons safe from what is on THEIR land.
It seems like instead of having a beach set up with beach chairs, and pretending like its a perfectly safe beach, Disney should have a boardwalk like they do at the Yacht and Beach Club and Boardwalk Inn. They don't allow swimming in the lagoon anymore, so why make it so accessible to guests? Instead create an environment that allows for guests to still enjoy the scenery, but keeps the guests safe from any wildlife that may also be in the water, or on the shores.

http://www.orlandolimoride.com/blog/...a-103676-1.jpg

After all, people aren't going to Disney to go lay out on some fake beach. And if they need a fake beach to go along with the theme, other hotels are able to give the beach environment without being near an alligator infested lagoon.

Disney Beach Club pool - Bing images
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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It seems like instead of having a beach set up with beach chairs, and pretending like its a perfectly safe beach, Disney should have a boardwalk like they do at the Yacht and Beach Club and Boardwalk Inn. They don't allow swimming in the lagoon anymore, so why make it so accessible to guests? Instead create an environment that allows for guests to still enjoy the scenery, but keeps the guests safe from any wildlife that may also be in the water, or on the shores.
That seems like a good idea. The times (and the hazards) have changed significantly from the days when that lagoon was safe to swim in. Why shouldn't the built environment change in response? And a boardwalk could incorporate a lounging/suntanning spot easily enough.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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At a time when the alligator population in Florida was much lower than it is today.
Which many people might not realize. Before this thread, I didn't know that alligators were at one point an endangered species in Florida and that since then there numbers of grown substantially. I always thought there were lots of alligators around Florida, so if Disney was able to keep them out before, why not now? It makes sense that since there numbers have grown, that they will now be found places they weren't previously. So I could see that others might not realize that a lake that they had previously swam in, or had seen pictures of people swimming in, is now very dangerous. But since Disney still allows people to water ski in that lagoon, it seems like it gives people a false sense of security that there is nothing wrong with the water. Like another poster said, many might think that the signs were just a safety precaution because there were no lifeguards.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:06 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Doesn't Disney have liability insurance? Hard to believe the insurance company was ok with their creating an enticement to a risky area. Or maybe they thought the "no swimming" signs were adequate to avoid incidents? Or didn't realize that the beach area was more susceptible to gator invasions than before? Hopefully, they think differently now, and will require more effective signage.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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Something like this?


The signs are there to protect said business/ park from being sued nothing more. It's not their fault because stupid people don't/can't take the time to read it. Odds are that the child is too young or to excited to read it. So it's up to the parents to do so. While I feel bad for anyone who losses a child/spouse in the end they should be read the rules.


I think in the end that's where the blame should lie.
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