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Old 06-15-2016, 09:59 PM
 
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And honestly, if you have spent much time at Disney, alligators are easily spotted from hotel rooms looking down on the lakes.
I've been to Disney many times. Not once have I actually seen one, so I question just how easy they are to spot.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:00 PM
 
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I've been to Disney many times. Not once have I actually seen one, so I question just how easy they are to spot.
I am surprised - really.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...615-story.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzU2ewnuNPU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGTtqCzFLhU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsTLPXiHPeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZqrnJkQuQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIOwtNrvSOU

Scary watching how close this guy gets to this gator trying to get him out of the pool! (not a Disney pool - but it does show how common they can be.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceR4bMkgsDU

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Old 06-15-2016, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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And honestly, if you have spent much time at Disney, alligators are easily spotted from hotel rooms looking down on the lakes. It's well known that they are there, for people that are familiar with the area. But folks from out of town have no way of knowing this.
Honestly, I've been to Disney over five times, duration of one week each time. With and without kids. Stayed in the parks from sun up to sun down. I saw not one alligator that wasn't in Animal Kingdom. I'm not from the area, so yeah I didn't know that they were there. It seems like there have been several incidents, including one in 86 right inside the Wilderness area where one attacked an 8 year old.

I think the fact that these incidents weren't well publicized outside of florida gives the impression that the park somehow takes extraordinary measures to prevent these things from occurring even if Florida is Gator Country.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:23 PM
 
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I think they DO take measures, absolutely. But the lack of publicity (and the lack of signage!) clearly is misleading to folks that visit from outside of the Florida area.

I have seen gators on three separate occasions there. From a distance of course, but it was not surprising to me at all.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:16 PM
 
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And you think they will all just STAY in the Everglades once you put them there, eh?
If they won't, then I say kill them or put them in a wildlife preserve where they CAN'T get out.

To me, humans have the RIGHT to swim in any body of water in any place they darned well feel like, that's our prerogative as humans, and any animal that threatens that should be dealt with. It's ridiculous to me that a state with warm weather and numerous lakes perfectly great for swimming otherwise that its lakes should be off-limits because we're scared to take care of business. I say we should take care of business. Certainly if it's to the point that even swimming in DISNEYLAND is now a problem, it should be obvious that they need to be dealt with.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:17 PM
 
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I have seen gators on three separate occasions there. From a distance of course, but it was not surprising to me at all.
You've seen three, but out of how many days at Disney?
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:47 PM
 
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Why wouldn't a zoo have better system of making sure that a child can't get down to the animals?
Apples and porcupines.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:48 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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The child was not alone, he was with his mother.
Not true. Everything I've read says that the family was nearby, although it doesn't make the incident any less horrific.

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/us/alligator-child-florida-orlando-disney.html?_r=0"]New York Times[/URL]

"Lane Graves was doing what any 2-year-old boy would be doing on a hot Florida evening splashing around in the shallow waters of a lagoon. His parents and sister, Nebraskans all, were nearby on the beach at a Disney resort here, relaxing, carefree."

[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/14/reports-alligator-drags-child-into-water-fla/85905266/"]USA TODAY[/URL]

"The 7- to 8-foot reptile grabbed the boy late Tuesday as he was playing in about a foot of water at the Seven Seas Lagoon at the resort. His father, who quickly rushed to the boy's aid, could not fend off the alligator and received minor injuries to his hand.

The boy's mother also rushed into the water, but when the frantic couple were unable to save their son, they alerted a nearby lifeguard who called 911."


[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/15/nebraska-toddler-dragged-into-water-by-alligator-at-disney-resort-in-orlando/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news&tid=a_inl"]Washington Post[/URL]

"One witness dialed 911 at 9:16 p.m., Demings said. The mother and father, who at different points both ran into the water after the child, shouted for the help of a nearby lifeguard."
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:53 PM
 
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The signs are needed not because people are stupid, but because people may be unaware. EVERY person I've spoken to today about this incident had no idea that alligators were present inside of the Disney park. These people aren't "stupid" either. Again, it's called CYA 101 so that you don't get your butt sued. "NO SWIMMING - Alligators in area."

You have specific signage because to some, putting your feet in the water isn't swimming. No swimming can mean foul water (which is accurate there). What I stated above really drives the message home that it wouldn't be safe to be anywhere in or near the water.

I've frequently seen parents walking hand in hand together down the beach while Johnny runs around in the water. I've seen parents sitting on the beach watching their kids frolick on the shoreline. This isn't a real beach, but from what I've seen in person and in picture about the lagoon area, it's an open shoreline that doesn't do anything to really discourage such innocent actions as playing in ankle deep water. I bet you, if this body of water were in the Everglades, people would definitely be far more cautious and wouldn't even wade. But it's different in Disney, where "suspension of reality" isn't unheard of. The fact that so many people didn't realize that Disney had alligator issues shows that an ounce of education and visual presentation could prevent similar future tragedies.
And it would also reduce, even if only by a small percentage, those who would spend their money there. Just read some of the Florida relocation forums where someone contemplating moving to a highrise is still concerned enough about gators to reconsider Florida at all.
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Old 06-16-2016, 12:04 AM
 
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Not true. Everything I've read says that the family was nearby, although it doesn't make the incident any less horrific.
And what's considered nearby? A foot away? He was close enough to be able to try and wrestle the alligator, so he couldn't have been too far.
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