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Old 06-16-2016, 07:49 PM
Status: "Even better than okay" (set 11 days ago)
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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What about Tucson? A city built out in the middle of nowhere basically, in the middle of the Sonoran desert, where people have to have A/C 8 months of the year. Whose bright idea was that?


/rant Back to topic
How about building our country's largest city on (mostly) islands, the most dense part on the smallest one? Commuting nightmare forever, no matter what.
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Old 06-16-2016, 07:52 PM
 
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I see nothing humorous about this horrific story. However, I do think Disney will be sued and their attorneys will settle out of court. They just announced more warning signs will be posted. I don't know if that's an admission of guilt, but they certainly don't want any more negative publicity.
Posting new signs is not an admission of guilt. In most states (including Florida), evidence of subsequent remedial measures (e.g., posting better warnings after an incident) is not admissible to prove negligence. In terms of settlement, you're right. There will almost certainly be a cash-grab once the mourning period is over, and Disney will almost certainly settle to preserve its image.
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Old 06-16-2016, 08:01 PM
 
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Game over Disney:

Disney warned about alligator threat before boy's death - CBS News

Gator Attack: Disney Knew of Problems, Staffer Asked for Fence at Lagoon (Exclusive)

Alligators a frequent sight at Disney World - Orlando Sentinel

Now they are on record as having been warned about the alligators, yet did not erect signs to make their guests aware. I like Disney, we've had many great vacations there. But, this tragedy is squarely on them.
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Old 06-16-2016, 08:23 PM
 
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Game over Disney:

Disney warned about alligator threat before boy's death - CBS News

Gator Attack: Disney Knew of Problems, Staffer Asked for Fence at Lagoon (Exclusive)

Alligators a frequent sight at Disney World - Orlando Sentinel

Now they are on record as having been warned about the alligators, yet did not erect signs to make their guests aware. I like Disney, we've had many great vacations there. But, this tragedy is squarely on them.


Yep. $100 million to the family, a huge donation to some children's hospital in his name, and major changes at Disney coming in terms of how the water on the property is treated. It's a hazard now instead of an attraction. Horribly sad for the family, and Disney will pay through the nose as they should.
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Old 06-16-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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Game over Disney:

[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lane-graves-disney-warned-about-alligator-attacks-before-boys-death/]Disney warned about alligator threat before boy's death - CBS News[/url]

[url=http://www.thewrap.com/gator-attack-disney-knew-of-problems-staffer-asked-for-fence-at-lagoon-exclusive/]Gator Attack: Disney Knew of Problems, Staffer Asked for Fence at Lagoon (Exclusive)[/url]

[url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/os-disney-alligator-history-20160615-story.html]Alligators a frequent sight at Disney World - Orlando Sentinel[/url]

Now they are on record as having been warned about the alligators, yet did not erect signs to make their guests aware. I like Disney, we've had many great vacations there. But, this tragedy is squarely on them.
Does the staffer mentioned still work for Disney or is this the claim of a disgruntled employee? I suppose all the guests mentioned in the above articles who fed the alligators are also to blame, since it's illegal in the State of Florida. I've seen people taking selfies with alligators. Really!

[url=http://www.sno-bird.com/dontfeed.htm]Alligator Feeding is Illegal - Snowbird Resources[/url]

I have no ties to Disney and agree that more signs might have prevented this tragedy, but after reading all the numbers (i.e., 52 million visitors in 2015) it sounds as if they've done a pretty good job regarding security. The last time anyone was bitten by a gator in Disney World was in 1986, but it wasn't fatal. Of course the death of one child is one child too many, but 1 alligator attack in 45 years in the most visited tourist destination in the world doesn't indicate they're a major threat or it's a dangerous place to vacation.
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Old 06-16-2016, 08:46 PM
 
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Does the staffer mentioned still work for Disney or is this the claim of a disgruntled employee? I suppose all the guests mentioned in the above articles who fed the alligators are also to blame, since it's illegal in the State of Florida. I've seen people taking selfies with alligators. Really!

Alligator Feeding is Illegal - Snowbird Resources

I have no ties to Disney and agree that more signs might have prevented this tragedy, but after reading all the numbers (i.e., 52 million visitors in 2015) it sounds as if they've done a pretty good job regarding security. The last time anyone was bitten by a gator in Disney World was in 1986, but it wasn't fatal. Of course the death of one child is one child too many, but 1 alligator attack in 45 years in the most visited tourist destination in the world doesn't indicate they're a major threat.
Instead of smacking your head, you might try reading the links, not just the headlines. Numerous employees are on record regarding the alligators.

Yes, Disney has done a good job with security. But, they have not done a good job protecting their guests when it comes at the expense of creating the illusion of perfection.

We lived in FL, we knew all about alligators in our area in the southern part of the state, and yet, our very pricey accommodations at the Grand Floridian came with no caution that they had been seen in the man made lagoon.
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Old 06-16-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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1 alligator attack in 45 years in the most visited tourist destination in the world doesn't indicate they're a major threat or it's a dangerous place to vacation.
Except during much of that time alligators were an endangered species.
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:13 PM
 
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Good points.

I have no idea why people think that eliminating animals that have killed a person is 'vengeance'. It's simply removing a problem animal.
This wasn't a problem animal. He was a gator being a gator in his natural environment. The problem was that humans were allowed to encroach. That, and Disney didn't warn guests of the danger.

There has been at least one other attack many years ago. This is not the first time. While I do think Disney should have taken precautions, the parents needed to do the same by not letting such a young child play in unfamiliar waters that late at night. It's a sad story but what's done is done. Hopefully it's a lesson learned for all.
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:26 PM
 
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Bad things happen when common sense isn't used. A foot of water to a two year old is deep water, especially after dark.
Unless he has severe growth issues, a foot of water doesn't even come up to his waist

And at 9pm it might not even have gotten fully dark.

I just don't yet see the negligence.
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:34 PM
 
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Unless he has severe growth issues, a foot of water doesn't even come up to his waist

And at 9pm it might not even have gotten fully dark.

I just don't yet see the negligence.
It was not fully dark; it was twilight. The incident took place roughly a half hour after sunset. I was outside working on the exhaust system of my car tonight a half hour after sunset - there's still a lot of light left at that time.
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