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Old 06-20-2016, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Not true...these kind of people believe that human life is sacred and to be respected and preserved if possible.

And when it comes down to "human or animal", human wins. You cannot apply your reasoning to this situation...you have the audacity to say that someone who values human life over animal life will "quickly and easily descend into dehumanizing other people"?? No, it's the ones who value animal life over human life on these boards who do that.

Case in point:

"As long as I reserve the right to shoot your free range brats when they trespass into MY yard, we have a deal. And keep them from shrieking at 10:00 at night too, please and thanks."
And I notice you completely glossed over Shyguy post that my comment was directed to. He openly admits to shooting neighbors dogs and seems proud of it.

Any dog lover would take offense at that and fire back. My dog means the world to me. Your kids ? Not so much and you know what ? It's OK to feel like that in spite of your weak attempts at character assassination.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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It's not a "personal attack"....it's an observation of reality.

But really, you just hurt my fee-fees.
You know nothing about me at all so you really should shut your cakehole.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:43 PM
 
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Yes ppl are invading more and more area that USED TO BE 100% natural........

Its very sad
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And we don't need to all live in cities (that you pretend weren't erected at the expense of wildlife).

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Every place you've ever lived, shopped, worked 'used to be natural'.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:45 PM
 
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I know the difference between an opinion and a fact quite clearly. That doesn't mean some opinions aren't ones I consider to be ones from the land of the looney. DECENT people know there's a difference between a child and a dog. If you need that explained to you, feel free to adjust your Prozac medication.


Shyguy, with all you have said over the last several pages, I would be curious to where you might stand opinion wise on matters like Adolf Hitler, Arian Supremacy, The Nazi Party, slaughter internment and genocide of Native Americans during the settlement of the American West, Ku Klux Klan and White Supremacy.


I mean, after all, those pesky Indians where in the way and kept attacking settlers!


Question is Rhetorical of course, but answer if you wish...
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:46 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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An animal can't "trespass." It doesn't know trespass is. If people want to keep the animals out of their property, they do need to build fences because animals understand barriers as something they can't cross.

Humans are supposed to be more intelligent than animals. They are the ones who need to figure it out.
Did you see the video of the Mt lion trying to drag a Doberman over a fence? And it would have too except the dobie was on a leash. Fences don't stop wild animals from doing squat. Dogs dig under, cats climb over. Wild animals find fences annoying, about it.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:49 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Not when you figure in the whopping large fine you'll likely be paying for shooting an animal out of hunting season and/or without a hunting license.

Killing a dangerous wild animal in immediate defense of your life is OK (but you can expect to have to prove that you or your friend/family member was indeed in immediate danger). But most wild animals are under varying degrees of legal protection; you're not just free to shoot them "for trespassing" even if they are causing property damage. (There is a reason I used "deer in the garden" as my example of wild animal trespass in my post; anyone who's dealt with them knows they can cause a huge amount of damage to landscaping, but you CANNOT just shoot them to stop the problem. Your only legal recourse, is to change the landscaping, put up a fence, or (if you like venison) hunt them legally in season to help keep the population in check. And usually even if you choose option #3, you still need to choose option #1 or option #2 as well if you really value your garden.)
Depredation permits are cheap. They could have shot this cat and not heard a peep about it. Only a few States ban hunting cats and all issue permits for problem animals, better yet they send someone out to get rid of it for you.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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Did you see the video of the Mt lion trying to drag a Doberman over a fence? And it would have too except the dobie was on a leash. Fences don't stop wild animals from doing squat. Dogs dig under, cats climb over. Wild animals find fences annoying, about it.
It's obviously not a practical solution for a lot of folks, but we've found that our llamas are, by far, the best way to keep unwanted critters bigger than a bunny off our property.

Just saying- various solutions are out there.
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Old 06-20-2016, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Depredation permits are cheap. They could have shot this cat and not heard a peep about it.
Only if they had a permit. And to get a permit for shooting a problem predator, you have to be able to show WHY the animal is a problem. "It's on my property" on its own simply isn't a good enough reason.

In the case of the original post, of course the cat could have been shot. (And it later was shot by the authorities.) It was directly threatening human life. But however much shyguylh wishes it were otherwise, he can't legally simply shoot any wild critter he doesn't like just because it is on his property (any more than he could legally dump anything he likes into a stream running through his property). Property rights have limits.
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Old 06-20-2016, 06:14 PM
 
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And I notice you completely glossed over Shyguy post that my comment was directed to. He openly admits to shooting neighbors dogs and seems proud of it.

Any dog lover would take offense at that and fire back. My dog means the world to me. Your kids ? Not so much and you know what ? It's OK to feel like that in spite of your weak attempts at character assassination.
Nope, I saw the post, and I agree that Shyguy was well within his rights to shoot the dog. The owner was
"repeatedly" told to keep the dog out of his yard. If your dog "means the world" to you, then you will keep it out of other people's yards, and you probably do. Obviously Shyguy's neighbor just didn't care enough about his dog to keep it out of harm's way.

And no, it's not ok to feel that your dogs are worth more than my kids. I would never feel that one of my pets was worth more than someone else's child. It's just not right. And that's why I keep suggesting therapy. Seriously.
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Old 06-20-2016, 06:17 PM
 
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In the case of the original post, of course the cat could have been shot. (And it later was shot by the authorities.)
If it was shot later, I wonder why they didn't just tranquilize it and move it far away from civilization. We have a LOT of wilderness in this country.
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