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Old 06-25-2016, 06:10 PM
 
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Many of you seem to not have a clear understanding of the PM's role in British government. Mr. Cameron's resigning has less to nil to do with "honor" than the fact he no longer felt he could command the majority needed.


There have been many instances in British history where a PM was forced or otherwise stepped down because he couldn't command a majority. Such is the problem with parliamentary governments. The are by nature often unstable because a president and or prime minister can be forced out by a simply no confidence vote.


Mr. Cameron only made the decision to hold the Brexit referendum (which is non-binding legally by the way) to call the bluff of members of the Conservative party who wanted out of the EU. In the ensuing months leading up to last week's vote things had become bitter and hostile with a split in the Conservative Party. Mr. Cameron had two choices after the stunning defeat last Thursday; try to made do and mend hoping to cobble together some sort of government that would let bygones be bygones; or step down and let someone else sort out the mess he created.


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Old 06-27-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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Many of you seem to not have a clear understanding of the PM's role in British government. Mr. Cameron's resigning has less to nil to do with "honor" than the fact he no longer felt he could command the majority needed.


There have been many instances in British history where a PM was forced or otherwise stepped down because he couldn't command a majority. Such is the problem with parliamentary governments. The are by nature often unstable because a president and or prime minister can be forced out by a simply no confidence vote.
PM's role is different than the President. PM is like our Speaker of the House. They have to step down when they lose confidence inside the Parliament, since they get to pick who the PM is not the people.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:01 AM
 
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PM's role is different than the President. PM is like our Speaker of the House. They have to step down when they lose confidence inside the Parliament, since they get to pick who the PM is not the people.
The leader of a political party is elected by the party. The public votes for a local Member of Parliament in a general election. The political party with the the most MPs becomes the governing party and the leader of that political party becomes the Prime Minister. The members of the Conservative party will select a new leader in the fall to replace David Cameron as Prime Minister.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:33 AM
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David Cameron is another Immature Weak Leader . He didn't get his way, so he quit. Instead of leading his country through this. He quits. FAILURE!
Americans really have so much to learn. If "the people" send a message to the leaders they want to go a different direction, the PM may step down because it isn't their vision. He is listening to "the people" and stepping down to let someone else lead that would be more in line with the country's vision. Why would he stay? To force upon his views to "the people". No, Mr Cameron is a very good leader and doing the right thing. Something that you would NEVER see in the US. Keep in mind how tiny Britain is and how powerful they are. They are a super power and the size of a pea compared to most countries. Britain also controlled over 1/3 of the globe at one time. Not just any country over there. They are given things so easily like the US. We can feed the world and have piles of natural resources unlike Britain that has very little. They have to rely on hard work and a lot of smarts. Something we seem to lack on so many levels. We just want to go to Walmart and get Cheetos. In Britain they expect more out of their people because they have to.
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Old 06-27-2016, 11:13 AM
 
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He's won all the big ones, though. Gay marriage, unisex bathrooms, subverting the immigration laws. The little stuff -- the Middle East, Islamic terrorists in the US, an educational system in shambles -- doesn't disturb his Olympian calm.
I wouldn't consider those "big" issues, but more like self interest lobbies that will provide Mr. Obama with a comfy life after presidency and a nice big library full of cash for the picking.

Wasn't one of Obama's early election promises not to take cash from lobby groups?
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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I wouldn't consider those "big" issues, but more like self interest lobbies that will provide Mr. Obama with a comfy life after presidency and a nice big library full of cash for the picking.

Wasn't one of Obama's early election promises not to take cash from lobby groups?

He also said marriage was between a man and woman, and you can see how that worked out.
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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And now Boris Johnson is out of the running. His right hand man, Michael Gove, stabbed him in the back and is now seeking the leadership of the Conservatives himself.

That what comes from playing Russian roulette with a nation's politics. Everything is hunky-dory until the bullet comes around.

Cameron was all too willing to spin the cylinder in the pistol. So was Johnson. Gove just picked up the gun. The Labor party's leader can barely wait until the gun drops from Gove's cold fingers to pick it up.

There's a big lesson for us in this; if you are willing to vote for the guy who has picked up the gun, don't expect there will always be an empty cylinder the hammer falls on when it's used. That's exactly what the Brits thought.
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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And now Boris Johnson is out of the running. His right hand man, Michael Gove, stabbed him in the back and is now seeking the leadership of the Conservatives himself.

That what comes from playing Russian roulette with a nation's politics. Everything is hunky-dory until the bullet comes around.

Cameron was all too willing to spin the cylinder in the pistol. So was Johnson. Gove just picked up the gun. The Labor party's leader can barely wait until the gun drops from Gove's cold fingers to pick it up.

There's a big lesson for us in this; if you are willing to vote for the guy who has picked up the gun, don't expect there will always be an empty cylinder the hammer falls on when it's used. That's exactly what the Brits thought.

While both works of fiction both British television series "Yes, Minister" and "House Of Cards" are not too far off the mark regarding UK politics.


Unlike the USA where there is a clearly defined legal order of succession should the POTUS be removed or remove himself from office no such thing exists in the UK, hence all the drama and uncertainty. The party will move to chose the next PM, not the people, and you can be sure there is much putting about of stick, sharp elbows, and or deals/promises being made. That Boris Johnson was "in" then "out" in less than a week shows how treacherous UK political waters can be.
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Old 07-07-2016, 02:35 AM
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While both works of fiction both British television series "Yes, Minister" and "House Of Cards" are not too far off the mark regarding UK politics.



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Old 07-07-2016, 03:05 AM
 
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Fascinating insight; and in hindsight remarkably accurate!

Moreover, rather than creating a disunited Europe, but also a disunited United Kingdom and disunited political parties in reality!
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