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Old 07-05-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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This ISIS, formerly AQ in Iraq, trying to start a sectarian war in Iraq with the Shia. Same thing they were doing in 2007 before the Sunni Awakening and the Surge (temporarily) defeated them.
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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They have different sects within Islam.
Shia, Sunni, Shiite etc...
They unite to fight against non muslims but always fight with each other.
Think about Native american tribes.
They fought among themselves but united against the invaders. Just for example.
The two main sects are Sunni and Shia. Shia = Shiite. There are others but they are minor and tend to align with either the Sunni and Shia.
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:10 PM
 
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Saddam kept Iraq united and stable, but he killed tens of thousands of people inside the country, especially Kurds and Shi'ites. The Kurds alone lost many thousands to chemical gasses, and Saddam mowed down the Shi'ites whenever they rebelled. Sunnis were not safe, either; his secret service went after dissidents and tortured them to death.

In terms of body count, Saddam might have been better, on the whole, but I'm not too sure about that.

The one good thing you could say about Saddam is that he didn't tolerate religious extremism. There are stories of radical clerics who went too far in their sermons and at least one of them was found with a Koran nailed to his forehead.
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Old 07-05-2016, 07:06 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Saddam kept Iraq united and stable, but he killed tens of thousands of people inside the country, especially Kurds and Shi'ites. The Kurds alone lost many thousands to chemical gasses, and Saddam mowed down the Shi'ites whenever they rebelled. Sunnis were not safe, either; his secret service went after dissidents and tortured them to death.

In terms of body count, Saddam might have been better, on the whole, but I'm not too sure about that.

The one good thing you could say about Saddam is that he didn't tolerate religious extremism. There are stories of radical clerics who went too far in their sermons and at least one of them was found with a Koran nailed to his forehead.
Monster or not, there were considerably more mixed marriages (Sunni/Shia) under Saddam. Apparently after the invasion a lot of relationships broke up, after the old schisms returned.
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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Monster or not, there were considerably more mixed marriages (Sunni/Shia) under Saddam. Apparently after the invasion a lot of relationships broke up, after the old schisms returned.
Apparently Saddam only invaded Kuwait because he was told we wouldn't care.

Actually, looking back, I think we never should have invaded in 1990. I mean, what was the point of that? To save Kuwait? A little oil dictatorship that hated our guts then and still does today?

I think the elder Bush should have said to Saddam: "You can have Kuwait but you can't have Saudi Arabia. Invade them and we'll squash you like a bug."

We needed Iraq as a counter weight against Iran. It was stupid to break Iraq up and basically give the Shi'ite parts to Iran. What did we gain from that? Then we lifted sanctions on Iran and gave them back their $150 billion.

With a strong Iraq, a strong Saudi Arabia, and a strong Israel, the Middle East would have been much more stable and less susceptible to Al Qaeda extremism. Of course, Saddam was building SCUDs to threaten Israel which without the U.S. invasion might have ended up being a shooting war between the two countries, but Israel would have found a way to destroy them.
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:23 PM
 
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under obama and hillary's watch. their anger is directed at trump instead while this stuff keeps happening.
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Old 07-06-2016, 01:10 AM
 
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Monster or not, there were considerably more mixed marriages (Sunni/Shia) under Saddam. Apparently after the invasion a lot of relationships broke up, after the old schisms returned.
I fking hate these sects.
They look same, same religion and what's this inside the same religion that each other wants to kill another?
Well if they are one, they'll kill more of others but still makes no sense.
It's like caste system in Hinduism or catholic vs baptist vs protestant etc in Christianity.
Violence was there centuries ago but Islam has it the worst and still in 21st century.
It's a brain washing religion that creates thousands of suicide killers.
I mean how can anyone convince to kill yourself?
This is the result of muslim kids left with Imams alone for hours a day for religious study that completely brain washes their young brain for life.
Truly savages.
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Old 07-06-2016, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Blue Ridge
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I fking hate these sects.
They look same, same religion and what's this inside the same religion that each other wants to kill another?
Well if they are one, they'll kill more of others but still makes no sense.
It's like caste system in Hinduism or catholic vs baptist vs protestant etc in Christianity.
Violence was there centuries ago but Islam has it the worst and still in 21st century.
It's a brain washing religion that creates thousands of suicide killers.
I mean how can anyone convince to kill yourself?
This is the result of Muslim kids left with Imams alone for hours a day for religious study that completely brain washes their young brain for life.
Truly savages.
In Arabian/Asian Muslim culture, it's all about the money their family will receive upon their death. Not the religion itself.
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Old 07-06-2016, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Sad for the loss of innocent lives.

But maybe this will expose the group as terrorists and not 'pious muslims' to more muslims who try to join them.
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Old 07-06-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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Iraq's government finally ordered the removal of the Biritish-made fake bomb detection devices.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ames-mccormick

They were also known to be in use in Egypt.

Here's background on the banned device.

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/23/...-still-in-use/
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