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Old 07-10-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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Have you considered that the final point that I made bold and underlined may have something to do with the first point that I made bold in your post: That is to say, do you believe the average employer would keep somebody around who possessed the other qualities and behaviors that I made bold in your post, if they were only an entry-level employee and expressed such qualities and behaviors within the first week of acquiring the job?
I'm not sure what the average employer would do. But it was obvious to me that his clothes were not new... so maybe he started out wearing them like that. Plus, his tat was due to a recent unfortunate situation in his life (death of someone close, but the public would not know it when they met him, under official conditions). Would someone keep him if his suits were hanging down?

If he were a great worker, I would not care, that much. I would most likely mentor him and eventually get him to wear his clothes properly (or what I believed were proper to allow him to succeed). I will say that he did not violate any dress code in our office. Just to be clear... he looked more foolish than anything else. Since he violated no rules, I'm sure a company would keep him, if his work product was on par, and definitely if he was a star.

To add: I notice some of the younger people coming in don't wear traditional suites and clothes in our office (they might not wear a tie, might not wear a jacket, might wear loud color socks, etc.). There is a disconnect with my age and the age of the people arriving. Luckily I care about work product. Be a star, arrive to work in slippers (which one lady does). And she looks foolish as well.

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If the answer is no, does that not merit the follow-up query that suggests there exists a vast and progressive separation of rules by which folks of varying classes are expected to both follow and ignore? If so, it would additionally lend credence to the idea that wealth transcends otherwise common morality and prejudice. That would certainly mirror what we see within our own society here in the United States.

In any case, just something to ponder on. I think it's an interesting reflection upon power; particularly that once it's obtained, you've arrived at the Hotel California: "You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave." And that makes sense, because, at that point who would want to (check-out)?
My answer, I believe, is yes... so no followup.

Although, I will say, as lightly mentioned above, the office environment is changing. I happen to work with people all over the world to include those with different faiths. I HAVE to be accepting or I look for another job (or do/say stupid things and eventually get fired). I sit in many meetings and sometimes wonder why the in the hell someone wants to do "x". Then I remember it is "x" month or "x" is happening or so on. It is difficult sometimes, I'll admit.

Luckily I grew up accepting... I had two sets of parents while growing up, one black and one white... I clearly understand there are differences in races, politics, religion, etc.
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Old 07-10-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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Women don't want to ride in the elevator with men with their pants half off. This sagging pants fashion began in prisons and moved into the black community. It's a stupid self-absorbed fashion that should have never taken off. Pull those damn pants up.
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Early America
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Hehe... about time I guess.

TIMMONSVILLE, S.C. — A South Carolina town easily passed an ordinance Tuesday to ban sagging pants, a clothing style that could result in a fine of several hundred dollars.

The Timmonsville town council approved the measure in a 5-1 vote, according to WMBF.

The exact wording of the ordinance is:

It shall be unlawful for any person driving or walking in the streets and roads of the Town of Timmonsville to:

(a) Engage in public nudity;

(b) display pornographic material such that others are unwantingly exposed to the same or that minors are able to view the same;

(c) display the flesh of one’s rear-end, behind, or backside during stationary or movement within the city limits;

(d) wear pants, trousers, or shorts such that the known undergarments are intentional [sic] displayed/exposed to the public.

The first offense is punishable by a verbal warning, the second with a written warning and the addition of the sagger’s name to a law enforcement registry, and the third by a fine of as much as $600.

The ordinance is similar to one that passed in South Carolina’s Jasper County in 2008.

“It had become a nuisance to me and most of the citizens of the county,” Jasper County Councilman LeRoy Blackshear told The Columbia State after the passage of that ordinance. “And not just in this county, but in most of the places that you went, in surrounding counties people were wearing their pants below their waistline, and, to me, it just wasn’t the appropriate thing to do.



South Carolina town approves ordinance banning sagging pants | FOX31 Denver
In other reports, it sounds like the town has deteriorated and struggling with high crime on the streets.
I bet this ordinance has something to do with local gangs or wannabe gangs, and discouraging kids from joining. They won't want to join if they can't also dress the part in standard gangsta fashion. At least until the fad changes.

Their town, their rules - but I'm sure there is no shortage of busybody outsiders who will try to force them to change this ordinance.

If this mayor were white, a nationwide war would have been declared on this little town already. Funny how that works.

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Old 07-10-2016, 12:48 PM
 
Location: In a state of mind
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I saw one of those idiots in the market. I had an almost irresistable urge to sneak up behind him and yank his pants the rest of the way down, and run like h#ll!
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Old 07-10-2016, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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You obviously didn't bother to read. The ordinance does not punish with prison time but fines and other legal punishment.
That's not what she's saying. She saying that we ought to stop trying to criminalize to many things.

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Old 07-10-2016, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I saw one of those idiots in the market. I had an almost irresistable urge to sneak up behind him and yank his pants the rest of the way down, and run like h#ll!
I would encourage you to do that often.

Let us know how it goes.
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Old 07-10-2016, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Terrible idea.... all it's going to do is waste millions of tax dollars in a lawsuit over freedom of expression. Politicians need to start thinking of the potential consequences of their actions, especially when it involves stupid stuff like this that doesn't matter....
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Old 07-10-2016, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Terrible idea.... all it's going to do is waste millions of tax dollars in a lawsuit over freedom of expression. Politicians need to start thinking of the potential consequences of their actions, especially when it involves stupid stuff like this that doesn't matter....
What if public masturbation is a person's "freedom of expression?" And they like to "express" their freedom in front of a middle school? What if I want to express myself by chopping up beef naked in front of town hall? The "freedom of expression" argument has to have limits. We choose those limits on a local, state, and national level by enacting ordinances and laws.

Where does one draw the line between freedom of expression and indecency? In this town, showing your underwear in public is not freedom of expression, it's a public nuisance, and therefore, as voted on by the leaders of this town, an offence worthy of a fine.

If the townspeople don't want to be fined for their showing of underwear, they certainly have the power to elect other more like minded officials. But, until then, you either pull up your pants or lose your hard earned cash. They can always choose to live in a more liberal environment as well.
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Old 07-10-2016, 04:43 PM
 
Location: sumter
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In other reports, it sounds like the town has deteriorated and struggling with high crime on the streets.
I bet this ordinance has something to do with local gangs or wannabe gangs, and discouraging kids from joining. They won't want to join if they can't also dress the part in standard gangsta fashion. At least until the fad changes.

Their town, their rules - but I'm sure there is no shortage of busybody outsiders who will try to force them to change this ordinance.

If this mayor were white, a nationwide war would have been declared on this little town already. Funny how that works.
I don't believe gangs are a major issue in this small town, this is probably the least place in South Carolina for that problem. I know they can and do exist in small towns, but I'm pretty sure that's not a major issue there. I live about 20 miles from there and you almost never hear or read of anything coming out of this town. It's mostly a speed trap between two larger towns, a slow and boring place.
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Old 07-10-2016, 04:55 PM
 
Location: sumter
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Sagging pants went out in the 90's. Now it's all about skinny jeans on guys. South Carolina is clearly not up-to date with the current trends
I don't know anything about the latest fashion trend out there , but I'm not sure if your statement is accurate. You also may have different trends in different region of the country. I'm not sure about the sagging pants going out in the 90's though. Yes, a small southern town like Timmonsville, SC will probably not be your most up to date place when comes it comes to fashion.
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