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Old 03-30-2017, 06:24 PM
 
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That baby bear is going to end up euthanized. Once it has been fed by humans, it won't be safe to return it to the wild and no zoo is going to take another common black bear. It is not suitable to go into a pet home. There is no place for it, so it will be destroyed.
Thats not always true. Zoo animals come from somewhere. The zoo here is getting two orphaned Grizzly bears (I know, different type of bear) from Montana.

Not saying I agree with what this hiker did. It would have been much better to just notify a ranger and let them deal with the situation.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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Maybe what he did was dumb but charging him is stupid. A warning and publicity about the case is more than enough to achieve what authorities really want - deterrence of similar acts.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:55 PM
 
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Maybe what he did was dumb but charging him is stupid. A warning and publicity about the case is more than enough to achieve what authorities really want - deterrence of similar acts.
A public warning is not going to deter others from doing the same thing. There needs to be some sort of consequences for his actions.
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Old 03-30-2017, 09:16 PM
 
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Since we're on the topic, I thought I'd mention that there's an epidemic of orphaned bear cubs in Russia, due to Chinese demand for bear bile and other bear parts. There are now bear cub rescue stations out in the forest, where volunteers take in the cubs. Cubs are also sold as pets. It's unknown what happens when the pets get too big for the apartments they're in.

This is a crime against ursine kind, reaching crisis proportions. What's going to happen when the forests are emptied of adult bears, and all the little ones have been raised by humans, like pets, or human babies? I shudder to think.

Meanwhile the Chinese haven't figured out yet that bear bile has been studied in the lab, found to actually have salutary effects, and now is being synthetically produced. So all those momma and papa bear deaths are for nothing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha7xWmecJHg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KycInn2uotQ
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Old 03-30-2017, 09:29 PM
 
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A sliver of hope, with a new bear-protection law enacted.
And: how to rescue baby bears, and nurture them in a way that they're able to fend for themselves when released back into the wild--



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhRAdEOesU
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:25 AM
 
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In nature, mothers abandon their young for a variety of reasons. His actions have far reaching consequences. It might be the reason a turkey vulture and her babies will starve this spring. No home for maggots might be the reason a fly-pollinated plant doesn't produce seeds this season. There might be an endangered butterfly that realies on the propagation of that plant. People should observe and appreciate the cycle of wildlife, rather than interfering with it, especially given that the consequences are both far reaching and unknown. His caring and compassion should be reserved for other people and for pets. I'm fine with him getting charged.
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:35 AM
 
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Cute little bear
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:50 AM
 
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Hey, look---this guy was acting from kindness, not out of meanness. Perhaps an appropriate "punishment" would be some sort of deferred adjudication----otherwise he would have a charge of animal cruelty on his record. Perhaps have him volunteer in an animal shelter or at a ranger station, maybe take a class in treatment of wild animals---if such a thing is available--perhaps a fine which could be waived if he donated to ASCPA or some similar group----just don't treat him like a criminal.
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Old 03-31-2017, 02:11 AM
 
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A public warning is not going to deter others from doing the same thing. There needs to be some sort of consequences for his actions.
WHY??

HE WAS SAVING A LIFE..... Something not many ppl do now!!!!!!
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Crook County, Illinois
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Hey, look---this guy was acting from kindness, not out of meanness. Perhaps an appropriate "punishment" would be some sort of deferred adjudication----otherwise he would have a charge of animal cruelty on his record. Perhaps have him volunteer in an animal shelter or at a ranger station, maybe take a class in treatment of wild animals---if such a thing is available--perhaps a fine which could be waived if he donated to ASCPA or some similar group----just don't treat him like a criminal.
But, but, but... will somebody please thing of the children?! If we don't treat this guy like a hardened murderer, how will we keep our streets safe? (Read: keep the prison-industrial complex full, to meet the state agreements with private prisons.)

Let's look at the elephant in the room: Laws are no longer about safety; they're about keeping government employees (like the cops) busy, the politicians rich, the prisons full, and the people convinced that none of it is true.

And what could be easier than using a cute little bear to sway the unwashed masses that the Big Brother there to protect them and the bear? All while lives and careers are being ruined, as private prison operators are raking in big profits.
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