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my first thought was murder suicide or maybe a double suicide. it just didn't make sense that they would get lost where they were. apparently they were found in a steep canyon to the far north of the maze loop. still surprised it took this long to find them. apparently the father of the guy was one of the people who found them. at least now their families can get some closure.
i think i read somewhere that they were ex's, not currently dating. everywhere i am seeing online today refer to him as "boyfriend" or her as "girlfriend", not ex. but they were out there for her birthday so i don't know. probably jealousy or she was breaking up with him or something like that.
They were ex's. That was in the early reports when they first were declared missing.
I think it's murder/suicide with the new details. I think they could have gotten help if they really needed it. They weren't that remote and likely still be in cell coverage. I think he purposely took them far enough out that it would be much harder to find them. Probably took her cellphone at some point, shot her, embraced her and shot himself.
OK, I guess this and the other comments leave it open as to how & why it happened. But according to a couple of earlier posts, it wasn't 120, it was 99-100. But, whatever. I still don't think they were alive for days. If they'd been wandering around there for days, one of those search parties would have found them. I think search parties know to look down into ravines when a trail is on a steep slope, too. I suppose it's possible they fell, then survived a day or so to try to find their way back, or something. IDK. Maybe more will come from the police report, over time.
I doubt they were out there for days too. The car was found the very next day so they knew the general area already. Just then had to search places where they likely went to. I think the initial searches just didn't think it likely that they would have gone out that far and didn't search there.
The bodies of Rachel Nguyen and Joseph Orbeso were found under a tree. They had positioned their clothing to cover their lower extremities and protect them from the sun. It appears they had been rationing their food and had no water.
The gun found near the bodies was registered to Joseph Orbeso.
I think it's murder/suicide with the new details. I think they could have gotten help if they really needed it. They weren't that remote and likely still be in cell coverage. I think he purposely took them far enough out that it would be much harder to find them. Probably took her cellphone at some point, shot her, embraced her and shot himself.
There is no cell coverage out there. I've been there may times and once you get outside of town it's very spotty and once you get out onto the trails you're pretty much off the grid.
OK, I guess this and the other comments leave it open as to how & why it happened. But according to a couple of earlier posts, it wasn't 120, it was 99-100. But, whatever. I still don't think they were alive for days. If they'd been wandering around there for days, one of those search parties would have found them. I think search parties know to look down into ravines when a trail is on a steep slope, too. I suppose it's possible they fell, then survived a day or so to try to find their way back, or something. IDK. Maybe more will come from the police report, over time.
I agree. The more details that come out the more I think it was premeditated and he just took her out there to do this but we'll probably never know for sure
They say they were shocked at the lack of context in the release because it made it look like the killing was premeditated. They say the sheriff's department told them their son did it to put an end to their suffering and are upset the press release didn't reflect that. They want people to know it wasn't murder it was an act of mercy.
Joseph's parents say their son did have a gun registered under his name and took it along to protect Rachel and a friend confirmed that with a text saying he took it to protect her from a man who had been stalking Rachel.
They also say empty water bottles, food wrappers and bandaged wounds they were found with show the two friends tried to survive as long as they could in brutal July conditions in the desert but when they realized no one was coming they had no choice but to take their own lives.
His mom says about five days into the search she felt the exact moment of his death, "I just woke up, three o'clock in the morning and I took these breaths that I've never ever felt before as if it were his last, I felt him ... and you watch them take their very first breath and I felt him take his very last."
Wow - didn't see that one coming.
We are never going to know the entire real story on this one.
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