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If you enter "their" town there is a sign about the rules POSTED. I'm not kidding.... and this was before they became their own town. Expect to follow their rules if for some odd reason you go there...
I drove school bus in NY and I HATED summer runs that involved the Hasidics.... they treat outsiders like crap, expect you to put on their style dress if your a woman if you're driving and the boys are the WORST.....
Ugh
To be fair, they aren't actually rules but suggestions. Id follow them if I was visiting out of respect. That is unless I was mistreated for some reason, at which point all bets would be off.
To be fair, they aren't actually rules but suggestions. Id follow them if I was visiting out of respect. That is unless I was mistreated for some reason, at which point all bets would be off.
Correct. They are only rules for the Hasidim. They are suggestions for everyone else. Also in some areas the signs are in Yiddish and not English.
If you enter "their" town there is a sign about the rules POSTED. I'm not kidding.... and this was before they became their own town. Expect to follow their rules if for some odd reason you go there...
I drove school bus in NY and I HATED summer runs that involved the Hasidics.... they treat outsiders like crap, expect you to put on their style dress if your a woman if you're driving and the boys are the WORST.....
Ugh
Orthodox Jewish community of Williamsburg has been having fits over gentrification and all the *different* people moving there, and pricing them out for that matter.
Pick one; bike lanes (they paint them over), women not dressed *modestly* (they lecture, threaten, call names, etc...), public displays of affection... oh and the worst of them all, large population of gays, lesbians and trannies moving out there are just driving the Hasidic population *NUTS*.
Husband/partner (cannot recall status) of Andersen Cooper ( Benjamin Maisani) opened a gay bar called "Love Gun" out in Williamsburg and it had the local Jews chewing out their livers. Sadly or happily depending upon which side of fence you are on, the thing didn't last long and soon closed. But there are others...
If you enter "their" town there is a sign about the rules POSTED. I'm not kidding.... and this was before they became their own town. Expect to follow their rules if for some odd reason you go there...
I drove school bus in NY and I HATED summer runs that involved the Hasidics.... they treat outsiders like crap, expect you to put on their style dress if your a woman if you're driving and the boys are the WORST.....
Ugh
I worked in Borough Park for a year, and I found that to vary from individual to individual. Overall, the rudest were Hasidic women. They especially seemed to enjoy timing the shutting of shop doors in my face. It was just weird. Some men ignored me or pretended I wasn't there, but I sort of expected that knowing the cultural norms of the community regarding the separation of men and women. On the other hand, sometimes a Hasidic man would exchange pleasantries while we were waiting for our food at a deli, for example. I figured they were more likely people who conducted business outside of the community. The rudeness of the women took me aback a few times, though. So, I learned to pretend they didn't exist, either.
The Hasidic women with whom I actually worked were not that way at all, just the ones out and about in the neighborhood.
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So what we have here is another feud between two groups not seeking to live and let live -- but to force their version of things into the law of the land at the expense of somebody else. It has happened before -- happened much more often in pre-Enlightenment times, but has been declining ever since.
The problem here is eternal -- how to respect a social contract (ideally, one formed entirely by voluntary association) without trampling the rights of those members of the community who don't see things the same way. Since this particular community defines its identity by imposing restrictions upon the lifestyles of its adherents, it seems unlikely that many from outside would be ear to join, That leaves only the involuntary repression of members (possibly not of an age sufficient for full legal rights) seeking to leave, and practices deemed hazardous to individuals nd activities outside (but as always, I'd be very wary of interference with any activity or practice simply because it's deemed a threat to some supposed "greater common good").
So as always, the Devil is in the details, compounded when the proposed imposition of standards based upon the not-always-rational or -empirical absolutes of religious belief are involved. Historically, there are a lot of precedents in which the two value systems coexist -- the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania's long and changeable-over-time relationship with the old order Amish is the best example I can think of. But the growth in the power of the mass media, which has a tendency toward, and a financial interest in narcissism, probably poses a threat to that long-standing balance.
Just saw this on the web and it reminded me of this thread. It from a story on how much each school district in NY spends per pupil.
Spending the most: Kiryas Joel Village district, Orange County: $140,511 per student. The median spending was $23,370 per pupil. (Those are per year, not over the course of a pupil's school career.)
Just saw this on the web and it reminded me of this thread. It from a story on how much each school district in NY spends per pupil.
Spending the most: Kiryas Joel Village district, Orange County: $140,511 per student. The median spending was $23,370 per pupil. (Those are per year, not over the course of a pupil's school career.)
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This link is skewed as it doesn't list the whole picture of what the expenses are. When there are many less students many of expenses per pupil grows massively. Many expenses are fixed and Unions make a large chunk in that number. There are many things that go into creating that number, but if they are backed and equalized for the entire county out then that number drops to under $30k.
This link is skewed as it doesn't list the whole picture of what the expenses are. When there are many less students many of expenses per pupil grows massively. Many expenses are fixed and Unions make a large chunk in that number. There are many things that go into creating that number, but if they are backed and equalized for the entire county out then that number drops to under $30k.
It's still an outlier compared to the 2nd highest district, which was $104K. The small student number problem comes up in districts in Hamilton and Herkimer counties, too, but the spending per pupil there is still close to or even below the state median.
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