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How would you feel about letting bar/tavern owners decide whether to allow smoking in their establishment?
I know it wasn't directed towards me, but I think that needs to be the case for ALL businesses, not just bars.
I'm for freedom above all else, and if a business owner decides to allow smoking and you don't like it, don't go there. No different than going to a restaurant with bad food, you don't go back in the kitchen and tell the cook to make the food differently to suit you, you either don't order that again or stop going there.
Simple, show them your disapproval by not giving them your business. If it's truly a bad business decision and it's costing them customers and money, they'll have to either change their ways or go out of business.
There doesn't need to be legislation in place regarding smoking in a private business, it's a private matter that should be up to the owner of the business. And, as others have pointed out, smoking bans are often ignored, so I think what NYC is doing is laughable at best, and an attempt at a dystopian nanny state at worst.
I know it wasn't directed towards me, but I think that needs to be the case for ALL businesses, not just bars.
I'm for freedom above all else, and if a business owner decides to allow smoking and you don't like it, don't go there. No different than going to a restaurant with bad food, you don't go back in the kitchen and tell the cook to make the food differently to suit you, you either don't order that again or stop going there.
Simple, show them your disapproval by not giving them your business. If it's truly a bad business decision and it's costing them customers and money, they'll have to either change their ways or go out of business.
There doesn't need to be legislation in place regarding smoking in a private business, it's a private matter that should be up to the owner of the business. And, as others have pointed out, smoking bans are often ignored, so I think what NYC is doing is laughable at best, and an attempt at a dystopian nanny state at worst.
Well look at this - common sense is still alive.
Just take care of your own problems and wah- lah.
Every time I go to a business and disapprove, I'll never say a word, I just go somewhere else and give Them my $
Just to be clear, the default state is air, not toxic hydrocarbons, and not burning things rather than burning stuff. You think its weird to legislate to preserve the natural, default state but you got some weird burning-toxic-plant-leaves & chemicals-indoors-hobby....
Upside down.
Just to be clear:
Like I said, control of others is the addiction of these people.
I know it wasn't directed towards me, but I think that needs to be the case for ALL businesses, not just bars.
I'm for freedom above all else, and if a business owner decides to allow smoking and you don't like it, don't go there. No different than going to a restaurant with bad food, you don't go back in the kitchen and tell the cook to make the food differently to suit you, you either don't order that again or stop going there.
Simple, show them your disapproval by not giving them your business. If it's truly a bad business decision and it's costing them customers and money, they'll have to either change their ways or go out of business.
There doesn't need to be legislation in place regarding smoking in a private business, it's a private matter that should be up to the owner of the business. And, as others have pointed out, smoking bans are often ignored, so I think what NYC is doing is laughable at best, and an attempt at a dystopian nanny state at worst.
Exactly. But, no, we have to legislate that the entire world makes the same choices we do. (See my post regarding the compromise that the Austin city council came up with, that the anti-smokers flat couldn't live with even though all it means was that they would have hundreds of venues to go to that didn't allow smoking while smokers had a few that did.)
Notice that none of the posters who are in favor of the sidewalk ban will answer my question about lifting the ban and permitting business owners to make the decision about what type of business they want to have.
The indoor ban has been in place awhile now. If it were lifted, most business owners would remain non-smoking, of course. But some of them would see it as an opportunity to become a smoker's refuge.
Notice that none of the posters who are in favor of the sidewalk ban will answer my question about lifting the ban and permitting business owners to make the decision about what type of business they want to have.
The indoor ban has been in place awhile now. If it were lifted, most business owners would remain non-smoking, of course. But some of them would see it as an opportunity to become a smoker's refuge.
While there is indoor ban on smoking in NYC, you can apply for a special permit. There are some places (bars/restaurants) where smoking is allowed, but they are very rare, since most people avoid them. Those places tend to be on the expensive side too, since their clientele is limited and they have to make it up with higher margins.
The easiest way around this is there are plenty of rooftop bars, clubs, lounges, and restaurants in NYC and you can smoke there.
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