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Really??? What if it's a lady who shows up; she's old fashioned, her men always pay. She's waiting for her date to arrive and buy her the drink....should she be kicked out too? Your "rules" might be difficult for all customers to apply every time they step into the coffee shop.
If a lady shows up and her date is escorted out by police, she’s going to ask why he’s dressed like a bum and didn’t listen to the police.
I just wanted to say that I have never been a fan of Starbucks. I don't drink coffee, I'm a tea person. And the first time I ever steeped foot in a Starbucks, was when my MIL was visiting Boston on a chilly day, and she wanted to get a hot coffee. I got a chai tea. And I think that happened about 6 years ago. So I was really late in the game to try a Starbucks product.
And the second time I went in, I needed access to free wifi, so I bought a tea and sat in their cafe for about an hour. My niece has frequently spent a full day at a Starbucks to work on her laptop. She would tell me that she'd buy something periodically during the day in order to be able to hang out there. I guess that my point in posting this, that even a Chinese young adult can get asked by the Starbucks staff to be a customer in order to stay seated in their cafes.
And no, I think that the Starbucks staff doesn't like monitoring every single person inside their coffee shops, but they might notice those who more obvious in their appearance.
And no, I don't think that Starbucks is a racist business, but their coffee and other offerings are expensive and so priced in a way that attracts customers with more disposable income. IMO the (black) people currently protesting outside of Starbucks are people who never buy their coffee at Starbucks anyway, I'd even say that they aren't "latte people" ether. They buy their coffee at Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds or Burger King. And I don't mean this as a put-down, but more that they were never braiinwashed into buying Seattle coffee at a premium price.
And about being denied the use of the bathroom. Did they ask for permission to use the bathroom and then got denied by the manager or staff? Or were they at the door to the restroom and then got stopped? From my own experiences in retail, no establishment wants their bathrooms used by non-customers. And if someone walks off the street and the first request is to use the bathroom, the first response from the shop clerk is to say that their bathrooms are for paying customers only. And if the shop is in a busy part of a city, then they can be particularly firm about this, as they don't want to get the reputation of having a public restroom. And the employees can be really strict about this because they take turns having to clean and restock the restrooms.
And I also don't get why these two black guys just couldn't buy one cookie to share while they waited for the third person to arrive. And if the third person was supposed to buy the coffee for all three, then still buy something and get reimbursed for it by getting a receipt for the purchase. I find it really strange that they weren't able to do this.
Anyway, from reading the CNN article on the strikers, I was amused that their chants were the same of stale chants that the unions have been using when they on marching in their picket lines.
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You cannot dress and act like a hobo, then get mad when people treat and judge you like a hobo. No self respecting person, who wants to be taken seriously, would go out in public like that.
Dressing like a transient, using the bathrooms, using the seats of paying customs, then refusing to buy anything are what hobos do.
This is why restaurants only allow paying customers to use the bathroom. This is why restaurants refuse to seat incomplete parties. I have no doubt Starbucks will be updating their outdated policy to avoid bums using their facilities without paying.
I hardly know what to say. I'm a white woman, a generation older than these two men, so no, I don't dress like that.
But I see nothing at ALL wrong with their clothing, for a casual day out at Starbucks. Nothing at all. All their clothing looks new, and fashionable, and their faces/hair look well groomed and clean.
People do this every day at Starbuck's. Nobody stares at them. Nobody cares.
Maybe at the Starbucks in YOUR area, but not around Boston or in the suburbs.
And as I just said in my other post. The employees do care because they take turns having to check the bathrooms for cleanliness and having enough toilet paper. I think that some of the fast food restaurants like McDonalds are more forgiving about "bums" hanging out, but Starbucks goes for a more upscale customer experience, hence the higher prices for their numerous coffee products and their other offerings such as Starbucks mugs and music CD's.
I hardly know what to say. I'm a white woman, a generation older than these two men, so no, I don't dress like that.
But I see nothing at ALL wrong with their clothing, for a casual day out at Starbucks. Nothing at all. All their clothing looks new, and fashionable, and their faces/hair look well groomed and clean.
I’m a black man, a generation right in line with the suspects. I know exactly what they were up to.
They’re bums who make other blacks look bad. They show up dressed like hobos, demand to use the bathrooms, take up seats, and refuse to buy anything because they’re too cheap and realized they were in an overpriced coffee store.
Then when the cops come, not wanting to back down or admit they were wrong, refused lawful orders and got themselves arrested.
When you dress, act, and present yourself like a hobo, you will be judged and treated like a hobo. A real life hobo would’ve got the same treatment.
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I’m a black man, a generation right in line with the suspects. I know exactly what they were up to.
They’re bums who make other blacks look bad. They show up dressed like hobos, demand to use the bathrooms, take up seats, and refuse to buy anything because they’re too cheap and realized they were in an overpriced coffee store.
Then when the cops come, not wanting to back down or admit they were wrong, refused lawful orders and got themselves arrested.
When you dress, act, and present yourself like a hobo, you will be judged and treated like a hobo. A real life hobo would’ve got the same treatment.
Again, I'm so very sad.
My adult (white) sons could do this, arrive dressed that way at Starbucks and all would go well. They could sit at a table, and wait for another friend to join them, or not, and they could use the restroom while waiting.
I'm sad about your post. It appears Black people have to try much harder. I think we all kind of knew that.
And I also don't get why these two black guys just couldn't buy one cookie to share while they waited for the third person to arrive. And if the third person was supposed to buy the coffee for all three, then still buy something and get reimbursed for it by getting a receipt for the purchase. I find it really strange that they weren't able to do this..
I find it really strange that anyone would care. Maybe they are on a low carb diet. Maybe they aren't hungry. Maybe they would rather wait until their friend arrives.
Policing customers to see who is ordering what, when, who is using the bathroom, all is a waste of time.
Really??? What if it's a lady who shows up; she's old fashioned, her men always pay. She's waiting for her date to arrive and buy her the drink....should she be kicked out too? Your "rules" might be difficult for all customers to apply every time they step into the coffee shop.
Is this "old-fashioned lady" at a Starbucks waiting for her date? And how long was she waiting for her date when she got asked to leave in this hypothetical situation?
Honestly, if it's a first date or the woman is a wife waiting for her husband, she should just go ahead and buy a coffee. WTF is she is too cheap to pay for her first coffee. And sometimes, when an employee is vetting the people sitting at tables and not buying anything, they do it for the benefit of their real customers. Maybe there are people standing in line that would like a chance at sitting down. Those seats are first come, first serve for the paying customers... it doesn't matter what the colour of their skin is.
And because of the bathroom request, the staff were already aware that these guys were sitting without having ordered something. And less about them being black.
Anyway, the protesters are just protesting for the sake of doing it. Next, they will tell their (black) friends to go into all the Starbucks and treat their bathrooms as public facilities. And that's not fair to any business. And if I was a patron of any business, I would want any customer bathroom that I used to always be clean and not messed from hobos and the like. (BTW not saying these two or three black guys are hobos, but just supporting a business' right to restrict the use of their restrooms for customers only.)
Is this "old-fashioned lady" at a Starbucks waiting for her date? And how long was she waiting for her date when she got asked to leave in this hypothetical situation?
Honestly, if it's a first date or the woman is a wife waiting for her husband, she should just go ahead and buy a coffee. WTF is she is too cheap to pay for her first coffee. .)
You don't get to decide that. Everyone is different. This is a big melting pot of different cultures. Yes, some women from conservative backgrounds don't buy their own drinks. You don't get to decide how other women conduct their dating affairs. Businesses need to respect individual customers. There is no rule you have to buy a drink as soon as you set foot in Starbuck's. there never has been that rule. If there is, find where that is a written requirement to be in starbucks and post it here, or post a picture of the sign in their business with that rule written on it. I'd like to see it.
I find it really strange that anyone would care. Maybe they are on a low carb diet. Maybe they aren't hungry. Maybe they would rather wait until their friend arrives.
Policing customers to see who is ordering what, when, who is using the bathroom, all is a waste of time.
And that's YOUR opinion. and from the point of view of being a person who hasn't worked in a storefront business in the middle of a major city.
Any manager would want to make sure that the limited seating inside their cafe has a steady turnover of customers.
And the workers also care for that turnover of customers as it would affect their tip jar and (as I've said before) they don't want to have to clean up in the bathroom extra due to non-paying people just using the bathrooms.
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