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Old 04-18-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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<>The unusually cold conditions was why the usual African winners didn't win today.

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That is the most racist thing I have heard in 30 years. And look where I live. Sheesh.
What? You are kidding right? Don't be uninformed, and silly! The cold, wet weather was the only thing that was different in this race. All other factors were the same. Otherwise the Africans would have probably won this Boston too like they usually clean up. They really are hard to beat. But this type of weather may be their Achilles heel. Everyone has one of them. That doesn't make the observation racist, just knowledgeable, and observant .

Everything that people say does not come from a racist standpoint. Believe me when I say that there are probably many race analysts that are discussing, and writing about this very topic, why didn't the Kenyans, and Ethiopians do well this time?

This racist bs is getting very old. People can't even discuss why that group lost without somebody complaining.
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Old 04-18-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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<>The unusually cold conditions was why the usual African winners didn't win today.



What? You are kidding right? Don't be uninformed, and silly! The cold, wet weather was the only thing that was different in this race. All other factors were the same. Otherwise the Africans would have probably won this Boston too like they usually clean up. They really are hard to beat. But this type of weather may be their Achilles heel. Everyone has one of them. That doesn't make the observation racist, just knowledgeable, and observant .

Everything that people say does not come from a racist standpoint. Believe me when I say that there are probably many race analysts that are discussing, and writing about this very topic, why didn't the Kenyans, and Ethiopians do well this time?

This racist bs is getting very old. People can't even discuss why that group lost without somebody complaining.
I think part of the misunderstanding arises from the fact that people don't understand the difference between race and nationality, or assume that others don't. That led to the overreactions and accusations of racism even though the OP was just referring to nationality.

Honestly, these misunderstandings wouldn't exist if we stopped hyphenating people. African-American is an oxymoron. You're either African or you are American; you can't be both. The same goes for European-American.
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:02 PM
 
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Ok, you asked for it, and you got it. You only have to put in your email address to read the article. This is for all you that are so anxious to jump on the racist bandwagon. That is sooo embarrassing!

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...e3N/story.html

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Old 04-18-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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I'm going to stop there, but you can use the link to look at 2013 and earlier but when you go from and average of HALF the top 15 being African to just 2, it's a strong indicator that they were more affected by conditions than the other runners.
On the other hand, you aren't necessarily comparing like to like in different years because of differences in field composition. There was talk going in about how the women's elite field skewed more 'American' and how the US women had a better shot at a win than usual because so many internationals were targeting London or Rotterdam as their 2018 spring marathon instead. Course the buzz was on other athletes like Jordan Hasay (late DNS because of injury) Molly Huddle, and Shalane Flannigan to break the drought rather than Desi, but that's why you run the race.
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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From the above link, for those of you that don't want to read the whole thing.....

"It was no coincidence that the elite runners who DNFed (Did Not Finish) were the East Africans who don’t train in cold, wet, and windy conditions and almost never compete in them."


“The Kenyans and Ethiopians train at high altitude where it’s often dry and perfect temperatures,” said Mary Kate Shea, the elite athlete recruiter for sponsor John Hancock. “Not many get the opportunity to race in adversity.”
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (lovely hills but no ocean...)
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NO!! I didn't refer to them by RACE. I was only being very factual about the nationalities that have been winning the Boston Marathon for many decades. Kenyans have won the majority of the races, with Ethiopians also being a factor. A non-African continent winner is really quite a rarity.

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You're absolutely correct. Marathon veteran here. Those countries rule the marathon event.
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:20 PM
 
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The 2018 Boston from Sports Illustrated's point of view. The weather WAS a factor for the upset. The winners are true "grinders". Well done in miserable conditions!

https://www.si.com/edge/2018/04/16/b...-sarah-sellers

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Old 04-18-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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So is it their ETHNICITY or the weather they are ACCLIMATED to? If you took the African runners and they trained for years in crappy cold weather, what would the outcome be? Not quite so clear cut, is it?
Some of you people are freakingly overly sensitive.

These particular athletes didn't train for these miserable conditions this time did they? Most of them dropped out of the race, and did not finish (dnf). Why? The horrible weather that's why. Others didn't wimp out, they soldiered on, came from the bottom, and won. Good job. I am very proud of them!

Elite runners are always being described by their country of origin/nationality. Get used to it. Their ethnic names are also a give away. Don't be utterly ridiculous, please. You make no sense. Learn about the sport of racing first before making baseless comments.
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:42 PM
 
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Do you actually have proof of your claim? Like a story you can link to or something? That says that people from the African continent were affected by the cold so they didnít win.
Or is this more of a hypothesis that youíve come up with?
I provided a couple links to stories.
They not only didn't win, most of them dropped out, did not finish because of the conditions. The winners persevered.

The only people that are whining about this are most likely non runners who don't know what they are talking about. Please, you are speaking from ignorance, and embarrassing yourselves.
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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This race was perfect for Boston - the blue collar grind it out effort to win. This was not a race for the elite, but it was for the lunch pail runners. Well, of course the winners are elite, but I think you get my gist.
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