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Old 04-28-2018, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Lakeside
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Originally Posted by Suburban_Guy View Post
This is a ridiculous lawsuit.


THIS one on the other hand...if what is alleged is true...this is deserved.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/us/am...uit/index.html
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:15 PM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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This is a ridiculous lawsuit.


THIS one on the other hand...if what is alleged is true...this is deserved.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/us/am...uit/index.html
An AED wouldn't do anything for a brain aneurysm.
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Lakeside
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An AED wouldn't do anything for a brain aneurysm.
Thanks for the info.

However, she didn’t have a brain aneurysm.

The pilot making an emergency landing certainly might have helped save her.

Next time, read the article.
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Old 04-29-2018, 12:00 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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It was an embolism (blood clot) that blocked a blood vessel, causing anoxia (lack of oxygen) to the brain.

In all the codes in the hospital that I have worked on that were due to an embolism; I have only seen one be successful. Whether or not time would have made a difference would be dependent on where in the body the embolism occurred.

If in the lung (known as a Pulmonary Embolism), it is unlikely anything would have made a difference in the outcome.

The one patient I saw successfully coded was about the most unlikely of them all: Early 60’s, morbidly obese (400lbs) female with a history of diabetes.

I have seen an early 30’s, active & healthy guy who came in for appendicitis who died in about 2 minutes from an embolism. They are scary & almost always non-negotiable, even when they happen in a hospital with a code team a buttons push away.
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Old 04-29-2018, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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THIS one on the other hand...if what is alleged is true...this is deserved.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/us/am...uit/index.html
I am not so sure about that.

The history is compatible with a lung embolism, not a brain embolism.

Diagnosing a pulmonary embolism (not aneurysm) in flight would be difficult. The doctor might suspect it from the symptoms (the anxiety attack is common with pulmonary embolism) but would not have the equipment needed to confirm the diagnosis. Treatment would include blood thinners and possible surgical removal of the clot. Few doctors would administer a blood thinner, even if available, without confirming the diagnosis.

Also, the AED will administer a shock only if the heart has one of two "shockable rhythms". Failure to deliver a shock does not necessarily mean the device is defective.

Massive pulmonary embolism has a fatality rate of about 30%. Diversion to a nearer airport would not necessarily have saved her. I have read some other articles but cannot get a feel for how much time elapsed from when the doctor first asked for diversion and when she arrested.

This was a tragedy, but it is unreasonable to expect a commercial airliner to be a hospital.
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Old 04-29-2018, 04:32 PM
 
Location: southern kansas
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Is this the first time someone has died?? Ive heard of engine failures before but they are always contained.
The incident I mentioned in my other post (#184), did cause fatalities later during the crash landing, but not directly from the engine failure. The number 2 engine that failed that time was mounted in the vertical fin and the shrapnel blew out above the cabin area. The turbine fans disintegrated and that section came apart and did the damage that brought the plane down. The word "explosion", in the sense of a bomb isn't quite accurate, and the word "contained" isn't either. At least in the case I'm referring to (the '89 crash in Sioux City).
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