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Old 04-20-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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I believe it is new in my neck of the woods or it would not have made the news, and of course it is a new requirement for Parkland in Florida. I don't know the exact timelines, but 15 years ago, Sandy Hook and Parkland events had not happened yet (I believe Columbine had occurred already). I live close to NYC, and certain schools there have had security/metal detectors, etc. for years (don't know about clear packs). This is a result of ongoing incidents of shootings/stabbings, etc. that have occurred either one on one or involving small groups, no mass shootings.

I am wondering what elements were involved in your children's school that caused the school to take this action that long ago.


It may have been the Columbine shootings that spurred it. I cant remember, memory is not what it use to be. I think that was about the same time they started putting officers in the schools.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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I don't believe that these backpacks will help with school shootings. All it takes is for a shooter to walk into the school and start shooting.

When my kids were in school after Columbine they were required to have either a clear or mesh backpack (my youngest graduated in 2006),

These backpacks were terrible. The clear ones were constantly coming apart at the scenes, so we had to buy multiple backpacks during the year.

The mesh would get holes and everything would be ruined in the rain or snow.

I don't know how to stop these horrific attacks, but don't think clear backpacks are the answer.
To get into our elementary schools, if your not entering in the morning with students, you have to buzz in. Someone in the office will ask your name. The door leads directly into the office and from there you can go thru a door and enter the main school.
Makes me wonder how non students can just waltz in. I don't know if this is how schools are elsewhere.
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Old 04-20-2018, 03:10 PM
 
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To get into our elementary schools, if your not entering in the morning with students, you have to buzz in. Someone in the office will ask your name. The door leads directly into the office and from there you can go thru a door and enter the main school.
Makes me wonder how non students can just waltz in. I don't know if this is how schools are elsewhere.
Do they have a list of names of people who are allowrd to be buzzed in, or will they buzz in anyone who looks"normal" and gives them a name? Guns can easily be concealed while being buzzed in.

Also what kind of door is keeping people from entering? Sandy Hook also had locked doors with a buzz in system. Adam Lanza shot the glass panel out of the doors and entered the school without needing to be "buzzed in". So unless your elementary schools have solid metal doors with no windows anywhere on the first floor...

The buzzer system keeps random people out of the school, but it's naive to think it will stop someone determined to harm school children.
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Old 04-20-2018, 03:12 PM
 
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I hate it when schools infringe upon individual rights.

When I was in school, back in the stone age, they used dogs to sniff out drugs in lockers. That I was okay with - clear backpacks, no.

What's next? Patting students down and making them go through metal detectors? Maybe strip searches?
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Old 04-20-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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I hate it when schools infringe upon individual rights.

When I was in school, back in the stone age, they used dogs to sniff out drugs in lockers. That I was okay with - clear backpacks, no.

What's next? Patting students down and making them go through metal detectors? Maybe strip searches?
I went to school awhile ago myself...how long ago? Let's just say I was a child of the 60's, and I don't mean in the "Hippie" flower power sense...

In Kindergarten and Grade School, we had Fire Drills in which teachers and staff exited us out of the building in orderly fashion, and Air Raid Drills, where we were brought into the hallways, and we lined up facing the walls and got down on our knees with our heads down and hands over the back of our heads.

No drills that I remember occurring in High School, however.

Would it make sense to drill for shooting and firearms incidents? This could be done at both the Grade and High School levels. Do students still use desks? If so, how about removable bullet proof desktops able to be used as shields. Kevlar reinforced backpacks over clear one's optional...
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Old 04-20-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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Would it make sense to drill for shooting and firearms incidents? This could be done at both the Grade and High School levels.
Yes, schools have drills for this. They typically call it something like an active shooter drill, or intruder drill. This is done at pretty much every school, elementary, middle, high, private, public, etc...
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:49 PM
 
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Dilliard's used to make all of their employees carry clear purses. And they were just worried about employee pilfering.

It won't prevent one of these planned out massacres, but might help with some of the one on one violence.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:02 PM
 
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When did the 'backpack' thing start? Decades ago, while attending high school with 5200 students in NYC, NOBODY had a backpack. Books that weren't used in class were left in the gym locker or at home.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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Clear backpacks are a feel good bandaid to a bigger problem just as hanging a sign on the front door that reads "this is a gun free zone".


It is a measure to make us feel safer much like how we can board a plane with only so many ounces of liquid in a carry on bag.

A single entry point through a metal detector at the school and random searches of bags would do far more to stop a crime then requiring clear backpacks but of course none of that would stop true evil where it could just steer a car into the kids that are getting off the bus and getting into line to get into school.

There are guns and ammunition that contain no metal. They are partly ceramic, with plastic and are fired electrically.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:40 PM
 
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When did the 'backpack' thing start? Decades ago, while attending high school with 5200 students in NYC, NOBODY had a backpack. Books that weren't used in class were left in the gym locker or at home.
It's been quite awhile since my school days, but I'm guessing backpacks came into play when students started carrying laptops, tablets, cell/smartphones, etc. For obvious reasons, one might not want to leave these items in a locker, or anywhere else away from their person when at school.
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