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Old 07-18-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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Certainly. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t ultimately her responsibility. It would have been great if someone had been able to have prevented this, but for some reason no one was able to, possibly for one of the reasons I mentioned. In the end, she is the responsible party. She cannot be forced to not get pregnant. She cannot be forced to abstain from drugs or alcohol while pregnant,or afterwards, unless she commits a crime for which she can be locked away. She cannot be forced to have an abortion. She gets the choices and, because she gets the choices, she gets the responsibility.
I agree. It's a great theory!

And that's why she will face charges and probably imprisonment.
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What about pee?
Pee will only tell you a passing snapshot of current use.
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:38 AM
 
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I agree. It's a great theory!

And that's why she will face charges and probably imprisonment.
Yes. A series of poor choices. I don’t believe she deliberately hurt the baby, though, although that doesn’t help the poor baby.
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Old 07-20-2018, 01:42 PM
 
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Pee will only tell you a passing snapshot of current use.
Its enough to get you a DUI one would think it enough to throw a red flag concerning drug use.
Hard to imagine all the things a pregnant women is tested for drug use is not one of them.
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Old 07-20-2018, 03:17 PM
 
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Its enough to get you a DUI one would think it enough to throw a red flag concerning drug use.
Hard to imagine all the things a pregnant women is tested for drug use is not one of them.
I don't think an addict would even need a test. Meth addicts, heroin addicts, you can look at them and see it. Especially meth. And I'm sure whatever doctors serve the area have seen it enough to be able to recognize it.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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Two things puzzle me:

1. How is it the child didn't die as fetus (which started out very small indeed) getting those drugs consistently, direct through the placenta, but died after birth, grown to the size of a newborn, through an amount that would be found in breastmilk? Anyone know the science?

2. Who was prescribing these drugs for 40 weeks to a pregnant person?
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:18 PM
 
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As for better education for nursing mothers, an addict will tell him/herself any lie in order to justify using. It's unlikely she had no clue that some drugs show up in breast milk or that the ones she was taking were quite serious. Addicts tell themselves fairytales. It's not that bad, I know someone who used more than I did and her kids were FINE, I do other things to stay healthy so the baby has that protection through my milk, the drug half life is blah blah so I'm probably good, I didn't take that much.

Anything it takes. ANYthing. The addiction comes FIRST.

Even that has its own charade. Oh, I'll be a better mother/father of I'm not strung out...the baby will benefit from me being "calmer"...

I'm not saying: don't educate. I'm saying: this isn't 1912 or sub-Saharan Africa. Deciding she must not have been "told" seems shaky, to me. Especially since somebody was prescribing this stuff, I'm assuming, and handing her the scrip across her growing belly.

My vote is, this is on her.
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