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Old 07-19-2018, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Ca has always allowed a mental illness defense. Up til this bill a plea of mental illness resulted in the person being reprimanded to a state mental health facility until such time that the individual is deemed mentally fit. Once fit the normal penalty shall also be served out. The difference under the new proposal is that after two years of a diversion program the entire incident is wiped clean of the violators record. Also the extent of the illness is irrelevant (alcoholism would be acceptable defense).
Most chronic alcoholics who commit crimes are also mentally ill. This is not an insanity defense, it's pre-trial diversion and it won't be automatically granted, the courts will determine who is eligible. They will be monitored by a conservator and have to cooperate and participate in treatment whether inpatient or outpatient, if after two years they haven't cooperated or improved they will be tried criminally.

 
Old 07-20-2018, 05:59 AM
 
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All jabs aside, diversion programs (of any kind) aren't just a free-for-all... they usually come with stringent requirements for acceptance and "graduation," so it's not like anyone convicted of murder could just sign up and go free in 2 years. Also, they have been proven to work much better than simple incarceration. I know, I know; facts are boring!
Thats a good point, plus, its naturally going to be different fore everyone, in relation to the amount of time it takes for some level of rehabilitation.
 
Old 07-20-2018, 07:15 AM
 
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Ca legislators will vote on a bill , AB1810. in short it will allow for anyone arrested for a violent crime and who may have any mental issue (can include alcohol addiction for example) to go through a 2 year diversion program. Upon completion of the program the charges will be dropped and record expunged. Since there are no stipulations or limits as to what crimes it would include murder, rape, mayhem etc



AB 1810 adds to the foolishness of Props 47 and 57 - News - VVdailypress.com - Victorville, CA
I'm sure there are studies that prove this is an effective way to reduce recidivism and fight crime and that there are PhD's and professors lined up a mile long ready to swear to it. And lawyers up the wazoo striving their mightiest to make it happen.
 
Old 07-20-2018, 07:53 AM
 
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I'm sure there are studies that prove this is an effective way to reduce recidivism and fight crime and that there are PhD's and professors lined up a mile long ready to swear to it. And lawyers up the wazoo striving their mightiest to make it happen.
Diversion programs are effective, 24 states have diversion programs for the mentally ill, but you talk like this is some grand experiment that has never been tried before.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-a...diversion.aspx
 
Old 07-20-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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On paper, it's extremely liberal. Hopefully judges will use good discretion.
 
Old 07-20-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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On paper, it's extremely liberal. Hopefully judges will use good discretion.
liberal? It's pretty much the same boilerplate language used in other states for similar diversion programs.
 
Old 07-20-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Im still not sure why we dont have violent criminal registries, Ive never even heard anyone call for such a thing either?!! You would think majority of people would want to know if someone convicted of a violent crime was living or working nearby...but I guess not.
I think people should know if someone has a history of violent behavior. I would support a registry for that if a person was convicted for a felony violent crime. Some people are walking time bombs.
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