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Not all cops are created equal. They should be required to have medical/emt training so they can recognize true health issues. Poor training.
I didn't watch the video. I can't unsee things.
I also know that the penal systems creates rules that look good on paper (to "CYA" the higher authorites), while staff shortages make them impossible for correction officers to fulfill. Nobody is going to "go down" except the correction officers, and that is not acceptable.
Inmates never shut up, especially when drunk or high. They whine, fuss, kick, scream, do anything for attention. Some will even vomit and relieve themselves on the floor for attention. Corrections officers are understaffed. They have to tone those things out in order to do (survive) their jobs.
In this case, someone really was in distress. And now, rather than stand up for their staff, the powers that be will blame an officer for "failing to follow the rules".
And many inmates will fake their distress in order to get special treatment or to get out of a situation.
I have no sympathy for any drug addicts. Drug addiction is a result of a many poor life decisions. It's not a disease, and society shouldn't have to pick up the bill for these losers. And no, most drug addicts didn't get there by being on prescribed drugs.
No matter how badly life treats me or how bored I am, I would never ever turn to trying drugs for "kicks".
I understand much of the general public, law enforcement and health care workers are fed up with dealing with addicts but what happened to this woman seems deplorable and inexcusable in my opinion.
****video isn't horribly graphic, shows her behavior at the time of arrest, her behavior while in the cell, at the end her body is removed but that may be disturbing to some (it is covered).
Not all cops are created equal. They should be required to have medical/emt training so they can recognize true health issues. Poor training.
I didn't watch the video. I can't unsee things.
"They should be required to have medical/emt training"
They should be required to be full MD's, and ALSO to have LAW DEGREES!
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"They should be required to have medical/emt training"
They should be required to be full MD's, and ALSO to have LAW DEGREES!
And YOU can pay for it!
Truthfully, all they had to do is follow policy of doing welfare checks. (Which I guess they did, actually. They did seem to come in and kick at her to see if she was still alive, and made her attempt to mop up her continuing vomit. Maybe the guards are too dumb to know what the required welfare checks are for - so you can react when a prisoner is in clear medical distress). A prisoner who has been there for 3 days, hasn't eaten, hasn't gotten out of bed, is vomiting bile, requires medical attention. And their policy agrees, and the guards either willfully or due to lack of training violated the policies that would have saved her life.
It's really not about sympathy for the person in this case.
It's about an expectation that the government will properly safeguard individuals in its charge. An incarcerated person is a ward of the state. The state has an obligation - a moral obligation - to assure basic levels of safety and care.
Really, it's about you and I. That's who the state is: us. We are the state. I expect the state not to abandon people in cells to die. What about you? I guess you're cool with that.
Hopefully, it's never anyone you happen to care about who finds themselves, unconvicted, in state custody and ignored and left to die. But I suppose you imagine that the state is so perfect and infallible that this only happens to 'those who deserve it' (you, of course, being the supreme arbiter of who deserves what).
This^^^^
This person has a complete grasp on what this topic is about and why it should be of concern to people.
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And many inmates will fake their distress in order to get special treatment or to get out of a situation.
I have no sympathy for any drug addicts. Drug addiction is a result of a many poor life decisions. It's not a disease, and society shouldn't have to pick up the bill for these losers. And no, most drug addicts didn't get there by being on prescribed drugs.
No matter how badly life treats me or how bored I am, I would never ever turn to trying drugs for "kicks".
That's fine for you to have that opinion; however, you wouldn't be able to be in a job where you are the only line of communication for an incarcerated person.
Someone whose job it is to supervise incarcerated people - alone - has to have the mindset that they will react to life and death situations the inmates under their guard are experiencing. And they won't choose certain attributes of the inmate that they have "no sympathy for" and will allow the person to slowly die on their watch.
That's why they have mandated welfare checks on inmates, and specific anti-suicide protocols for inmates who are potentially suicidal.
I wonder. What did these guards think their job was, if not to respond to dying prisoners?
Sorry, but I have zero sympathy for this woman. Totally self inflicted. You reap what you sow.
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let's not play shoulda/coulda/woulda. It is meaningless. The deceased made the decisions that put her in that spot, not me and not you. And she would have sold YOUR soul in a heartbeat for more heroin.
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And many inmates will fake their distress in order to get special treatment or to get out of a situation.
I have no sympathy for any drug addicts. Drug addiction is a result of a many poor life decisions. It's not a disease, and society shouldn't have to pick up the bill for these losers. And no, most drug addicts didn't get there by being on prescribed drugs.
No matter how badly life treats me or how bored I am, I would never ever turn to trying drugs for "kicks".
Complete and utter lack of empathy for others shown in these posts. The dead person developed addiction after a soccer injury. That probably means she was over prescribed opiods by a doctor,and developed an addiction to them, and when the vicodin and oxycodone became too expensive or too hard to obtain, she switched to heroin because it's cheaper and easier to find. This is a well known progression for many drug addicts these days, and it's not a choice thing. None of them chose to become addicts, they just followed instructions on the prescribed medications and slid down a very slippery slope that is nearly impossible to climb back up.
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