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Old 09-11-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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This is HORRIBLE.

All jails and prisons should have medical facilities and people with medical issues should be monitored.

This is inhumane and barbaric.

And it has nothing to do with rehabilitation of "criminals."

This woman did not deserve to die in such a manner, no matter what mistakes she made.
Have you petitioned your local and state representatives to increase taxes to pay for county jail medical facilities and personnel?
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Old 09-11-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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Exactly. And inmates love a trip to the hospital. As well, in some areas the jailers are not staff.
When my brother began in law enforcement he started by volunteering at the jail. His duties were to keep a check on the prisoners, administer meds, even accompany them to the hospital, etc. The jail does not have actual medical personnel. Often there is not available personnel, including volunteers, to take inmates to the doctor or hospital for every complaint or request. An officer must accompany an inmate to the hospital and stay with them the entire time they are there.




It would be great if every jail did have a medical officer to evaluate and the staff to transport every inmate to a medical facility for every complaint but they dont and citizens apparently arent interested in tax increase to pay for those services.




Following the Constitution isn't an option that jails or the citizenry gets.

It may be too early to predict the exact outcome of this case. However, if half of what was said in the article is correct, there will be a large settlement or judgment entered against this jail. It will ultimately be the taxpayers who end up paying for that settlement. The idea is that the citizens will pay one way or another for a badly run jail.
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Old 09-11-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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Truthfully, all they had to do is follow policy of doing welfare checks. (Which I guess they did, actually. They did seem to come in and kick at her to see if she was still alive, and made her attempt to mop up her continuing vomit. Maybe the guards are too dumb to know what the required welfare checks are for - so you can react when a prisoner is in clear medical distress). A prisoner who has been there for 3 days, hasn't eaten, hasn't gotten out of bed, is vomiting bile, requires medical attention. And their policy agrees, and the guards either willfully or due to lack of training violated the policies that would have saved her life.
She initially withheld information about her medical condition.
Then told them when she wanted to go to the hospital for Xanax.
She told her mother NOT to bail her out.
She was in there 4 days. Where was her family then.
The officer stated she was eating.
He stated he check on her one hour before she died and she said she was ok and just wanted to sleep.

I never saw anyone kick her.
The officers may not have checked on her every 15-30 minutes for 4 days. They may not have realized her condition was as bad as it was. I'm sure inmates puking, sleeping, pacing, asking to go to the hospital is a common everyday occurrence.
You want jailers to be medics, psychologist and personal attendants lobby to change the job requirements and support funding for a big increase in pay and additional monies to hire additional personnel.

It is tragic that these things happen but you cant put it all on the officers. You want champagne on a beer budget. Provide the funding and require the training.

And lets not forget this poor girl would not have been in that situation if she didnt have outstanding traffic tickets and was not a heroin addict.
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Old 09-11-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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Following the Constitution isn't an option that jails or the citizenry gets.

It may be too early to predict the exact outcome of this case. However, if half of what was said in the article is correct, there will be a large settlement or judgment entered against this jail. It will ultimately be the taxpayers who end up paying for that settlement. The idea is that the citizens will pay one way or another for a badly run jail.
Only if they win.
I would like to hear more on why she remained in jail 4 days, why she wasn't bailed out, and why her parents were not checking on her "medical condition" and why the body remained in the cell so long.
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Old 09-11-2018, 10:56 AM
 
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Where is the anger and outrage that THIS MUCH DOPE is even available?!!

Enough dope CONSISTENTLY coming in and reaching its destination, enough to cause numerous states to have major heroin epidemics even!!!! that is ALOT of dope coming in.

If border patrol or LE was doing even a half #$%ssd attempt to control drugs, there would be lulls and shortages as a result....yet we dont see any of that, the fact is, ENOUGH dope is coming in and reaching its destination to keep alot of addicts supplied daily.

Its the consistency that really makes this suspicious imo.

** I saw proof of this firsthand when I was living as a heroin addict a couple years ago, thankfully I was saved by a Suboxone doctor and doing great now, but those many years I spent using dope, I never once saw my dealers being out or low in supply, quite the opposite some of the time, when they had so much dope being pushed on them by their connection. This was really obvious right after the new prescription drug laws on opioids took effect in 2012...there was SOOOO much heroin out there during that time, you could throw a dart and hit a dealer who was trying to sell it, even the dealers were surprised how much dope was coming in back then!
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Old 09-11-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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So she is supposed to die because of this? Ok

Yes we should absolutely forget this. Because it is not relevant. This is what is supposed to separate us from third world countries where people are thrown in cells and forgotten about.

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And lets not forget this poor girl would not have been in that situation if she didnt have outstanding traffic tickets and was not a heroin addict.
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Old 09-11-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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So she is supposed to die because of this? Ok

Yes we should absolutely forget this. Because it is not relevant. This is what is supposed to separate us from third world countries where people are thrown in cells and forgotten about.
Where did I say she is suppose to die. I'm saying she is responsible for some of what happened.
Sorry but what happened to some personal responsibility.

You believe the officers would have taken her to the hospital for Xanax immediately when she asked and she would not have died.

Do you believe she had any responsibility to have initially told them of her medical condition instead of withholding that information until a later time?

You believe the officers should have checked on her every 15 to 30 minutes and she would not have died.
You believe the officers should have taken her to the hospital even though she said she was fine, she wanted to sleep.

Do you believe she had any responsibility to ask her parents to bail her out, or to have asked again for medical attention instead of saying she was fine.
Do you believe she had any responsibility to have paid her previous traffic tickets, not been speeding or whatever she did to get pulled over for the latest traffic violation, or to have gotten medical attention for her addiction.

Again if people want jailers to monitor inmates every 15 to 30 minutes, assess their medical condition, transport them to and from a medical facility at their request they need to see that jailers are trained as med techs with some psych training, and that there is enough personnel and funds to do that. They need to push for a medical assessment for every person initially brought into the jail.
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Old 09-11-2018, 01:02 PM
 
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Truthfully, all they had to do is follow policy of doing welfare checks. (Which I guess they did, actually. They did seem to come in and kick at her to see if she was still alive, and made her attempt to mop up her continuing vomit. Maybe the guards are too dumb to know what the required welfare checks are for - so you can react when a prisoner is in clear medical distress). A prisoner who has been there for 3 days, hasn't eaten, hasn't gotten out of bed, is vomiting bile, requires medical attention. And their policy agrees, and the guards either willfully or due to lack of training violated the policies that would have saved her life.

In agreement with you. Per the article...


A 300-page report by the Nevada Department of Public Safety says staff at the Mineral County Jail disobeyed department policies by not taking her to a doctor or doing regular welfare checks. They also may have broken a state law against inhumanity to prisoners.


So; They were required (but didn't do it) to get her medical attention. And, per the 300 page report, did NOT do regular welfare checks.
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Old 09-11-2018, 01:09 PM
 
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Hers was a total lack of personal responsibility.
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Old 09-11-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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In agreement with you. Per the article...


A 300-page report by the Nevada Department of Public Safety says staff at the Mineral County Jail disobeyed department policies by not taking her to a doctor or doing regular welfare checks. They also may have broken a state law against inhumanity to prisoners.


So; They were required (but didn't do it) to get her medical attention. And, per the 300 page report, did NOT do regular welfare checks.
Does it say exactly what the policy is on taking an inmate to the doctor? Per the inmates request? If they determine a medical emergency, do they rely on their own untrained judgement or are they required to get approval? What if there is not enough employees on duty?

What do regular welfare checks consist of? Video monitoring, physically looking, physical interaction with the inmates?
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