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Old 12-04-2018, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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No, you sue a business the advertises peaceful, comfortable, well-appointed lodging, which, by implication, is safe. The question is, are hotels responsible for providing safety for their patrons? That should be a fun debate in court.
The problem Hilton is going to face is that, regardless of what they knew, this person was THEIR employee, and it happened on their grounds. There are many reasons why companies whose establishments deal directly with the public must take extra precaution in whom they hire. Things can go South rapidly due to poor employee behavior such as this. It's their employee. They hired him. It won't be that hard for the courts to pass judgement against Hilton. For how much, however, remains to be seen. I highly doubt it will be anything near $100M.
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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No, you sue a business the advertises peaceful, comfortable, well-appointed lodging, which, by implication, is safe. The question is, are hotels responsible for providing safety for their patrons? That should be a fun debate in court.
There have been plenty of people murdered in hotels that were responsible for their safety, and I doubt if many courts have held the hotels liable.
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:10 PM
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Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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No, you sue a business the advertises peaceful, comfortable, well-appointed lodging, which, by implication, is safe. The question is, are hotels responsible for providing safety for their patrons? That should be a fun debate in court.
I think the key phrase would be 'reasonable safety'. You can't protect against every possibility.
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Old 12-04-2018, 10:23 PM
 
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This stuff I think happens much, much more than anyone realizes. There was a clothing store that sold Juniors clothes in south Jersey where the owner had put a secret camera in the dressing rooms. I recall nothing happened to him legally, due to a loophole where as long as there's no audio, there's no crime. With the teeny tiny cameras they make now, I would be surprised to discover we haven't all been secretly filmed at some point. There's a "spy" store in one of the AC casinos that sell cameras that look exactly like clocks, smoke detectors and any manner of normal thing you'd find in a home. Any maintenance man in any dorm or apartment building or hotel could hide a camera anywhere. There's probably one in every 10th Air BNB.
Yep, we have one of those spy gear shops nearby, they are just catering to these perverts out there, trying to make a buck so they have access to teeny tiny cams!


Years ago, there was a little mom and pop motel in town, that they busted, one of the guys had cameras behind all the mirrors in all the rooms, he kept nearly all the footage going back many years. This was the motel my GF and I stayed at when we were 16/17, none of the brand name motels would rent rooms to underage, now I understand why this place did!
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:29 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Yep, we have one of those spy gear shops nearby, they are just catering to these perverts out there, trying to make a buck so they have access to teeny tiny cams!

Imagine that -- an American entrepreneur selling for profit to an existing market.

Speaking of ---- Would you start up a business if you'd be on the hook for 100-million for the misbehavior of an errand boy??
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:48 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Okay? Which is why I said it would not "ruin MY life." It would be a terrifying situation nonetheless. I never said -- nor implied -- that she is the problem. I simply questioned how it would "ruin her life." I'm SURE she did not mean it literally, and I was responding to a poster who pointed that out.

You seem to have quite a habit of twisting posters' words around. I'm noticing a trend. I've also noticed several people commenting on this.



Of course, you probably didn't even bother to read what it was I was replying to.
Nobody is twisting your words. You came here saying the woman is overreacting, you may as well have said this was "no big deal". Then you get all butt hurt when poster reacted to your comments. Well it is a big deal, this video went to people she knew, it appeared online with her name attached to it. That means EVERYONE she ever knew, even casually, could have seen it and know it was her. You really don't have a right to say how this woman should feel about such a terrible violation.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:32 AM
 
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For ****'s sake, where did I say I'd be okay with it???
I said it wouldn't "ruin my life." And no, it wouldn't. Does not mean in the very least bit that I'd be okay with it.
The tone of your post implied it. The thing is that people may “move on” (they really don’t) but what if you were on a date or with your kids or maybe later grandkids or family gathering and some sleaze ball comes up and says “aren’t you that man/woman who was in the shower at Hilton hotels? “ or that guy who looks at you with a knowing smirk.
Or you’re in a job interview, promotion hearing or meeting a new client whose account you’re gonna handle? I guarantee you someone saw that video and saw you in such vulnerable position. It’s embarrassing and destroys people’s self confidence.
So no pal people don’t forget. Remember Dani Mathers? She took a pic of a lady who was simply dressing in a locker room where there should of been a modicum of expected privacy.

As a guy we really don’t have any idea how it affects a woman to be videotaped in such position. Never mind then to be blackmailed. Women probably go around thinking am I gonna get accosted by some fool wanting my number because I made the mistake of smiling at him now he thinks I’m ready to spread my legs for him, or am I gonna get mugged raped killed walking to my car tonight? There are enough skeazeballs out there that I’m sure make women uncomfortable in the middle of the day much less at night in a hotel room where they expect some privacy and more importantly some sense of safety and security.



And this slime ball went a step further and now is blackmailing the poor woman. So that’s not a big deal either? It’s a little bit more than just taking a pic of someone naked. I hope the bastard gets caught and spends a few years in jail thinking about it.

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Old 12-05-2018, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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Nobody is twisting your words. You came here saying the woman is overreacting, you may as well have said this was "no big deal". Then you get all butt hurt when poster reacted to your comments. Well it is a big deal, this video went to people she knew, it appeared online with her name attached to it. That means EVERYONE she ever knew, even casually, could have seen it and know it was her. You really don't have a right to say how this woman should feel about such a terrible violation.
I did not come in here saying she is overreacting.
I responded to a post that mentioned a history of people committing suicide over such things. That post is even quoted in my post. No, I may not as well have said "it's no big deal." It's a HUGE deal, and I said as much in proceeding posts.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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The tone of your post implied it. The thing is that people may move on but what if you were on a date or with your kids or grandkids and some sleaze ball comes up and says ďarenít you that man/woman who was in the shower at Hilton hotels? ď
Or better yet youíre in a job interview or promotion meeting etc and I guarantee you someone saw that video and saw you in such vulnerable position.
So no pal people donít forget. Remember Dani Mathers? She took a pic of a lady who was simply dressing in a locker room where there should of been a modicum of expected privacy.

And this slime ball went a step further and now is blackmailing the poor woman. So thatís not a big deal either? Itís a little bit more than just taking a pic of someone naked.
It's a HUGE deal. A major violation of privacy for sure. I guess I should have specified in my post (despite directly quoting whom I was responding to) that I was responding to the poster who mentioned a history of people committing suicide over such things.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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The woman said this:



Images of her nude body which she did not consent to having taken are being posted and sent with her name attached. I don't know how anyone could think, "oh, well, no big deal" at such a huge breach of privacy. It's extortion, and this man needs to be stopped.
Obviously. And I'm pretty sure he'll (rightfully) be labeled a sexual predator for quite some time once the courts are done with him.
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