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...all in the only first-world, industrialized, wealthy nation on earth that does not provide adequate medical care for its citizens without bankrupting them. And allows pharma to gouge like slumlords. (Oh, and advertise useless vanity meds nonstop - one of two nations that does.)
I am no fan of Big Pharma, so on that we agree.
But this is not a socia!ist country, like some of them over in Europe, or Canada. I assume you are looking for a single payer system. We don't have that here, and won't in the foreseeable future. You are asking for the government to take from taxpayers to fund a free ride for the unhealthy.
Medical insurance is not a right, any more than auto insurance is a right. If you don't drive carefully, you will pay a higher premium. Same with your health - those who smoke, drink, eat too much, or sit on their axes all day cannot expect the rest of us to subsidize that behavior. And that's exactly what a single payer system requires - the rest of us to support the bad habits of the few. The government isn't paying those premiums, we are.
those who smoke, drink, eat too much, or sit on their axes all day cannot expect the rest of us to subsidize that behavior. And that's exactly what a single payer system requires - the rest of us to support the bad habits of the few. The government isn't paying those premiums, we are.
Yes, because you never hear of vegans getting cancer or marathon runners having heart attacks?
What is a “reasonable” price for insulin?
With an active, competitive biosimilar market, this study estimated a reasonable price for analog insulins to be between $78-130 USD per person per year (except insulin Detemir, which was higher). Regular and NPH was even lower — between $48-72 USD per year. Yearly costs are based on an average dosage of 40 units per day (a World Health Organization statistic).
The numbers proposed take into account not only manufacturing costs, but many of the other variables involved in production including the cost of active pharmaceutical ingredients, cost of other ingredients, cost of vials, cost of transportation, operating expenses and the added cost of bringing a new biosimilar to market. These numbers are “competitive but profitable” to manufacturers based on experts’ analysis.
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Read so many stories on big pharmas antics and its just so sad the way corporate America behaves like a bunch of sociopaths.
I am an insulin dependent diabetic. I pay per month $25 as the co-pay for the full priced $100 for 5 x 30ml cartridges of fast acting Humilin-R and the same for long acting Lantus. My monthly needle supply is $45.00, test strips $100, lancets $38. My insurance only covers $600 dollars of the insulin supplies per annum. I take a total of 92+ units of insulin a day and test twice a day. The cap is set by government based on an average proposed by the College of Physicians. My costs are more than double the average and I pay full price outright for the insulin supplies about 1/2 of the year. The actual insulin solution remains at a copay amount.
But this is not a socia!ist country, like some of them over in Europe, or Canada. I assume you are looking for a single payer system. We don't have that here, and won't in the foreseeable future. You are asking for the government to take from taxpayers to fund a free ride for the unhealthy.
Medical insurance is not a right, any more than auto insurance is a right. If you don't drive carefully, you will pay a higher premium. Same with your health - those who smoke, drink, eat too much, or sit on their axes all day cannot expect the rest of us to subsidize that behavior. And that's exactly what a single payer system requires - the rest of us to support the bad habits of the few. The government isn't paying those premiums, we are.
I can't believe anyone could be this callous and ignorant about cancer and other life-taking, life-altering diseases that attack without sense or discrimination.
Someday you'll get sick. Others just like you will judge you with the same heartless attitude you use to judge others. Nice, huh?
Humans have a responsibility to help each other in their time of need. If not, then we're simply no good to anyone. We deserve to be eliminated from this planet by whomever created us.
What you call socialism, I call it human compassion. We humans need to find an answer to these problems. One of the biggest problems we must overcome is our lust for profit and greed and the lack of empathy for others.
"Socialism" is any government expenditure on someone who did not earn the money, as defined by someone who has never missed a meal, a doctor's appointment or a vacation because they worked hard their whole life without no help from nobody, ever.
Not even government supported education, health care, job subsidies, industry tax breaks, community improvement projects, farm and food subsidies, road infrastructure, police and military protection, land grants, oil and mineral leases or a free apple from the local grocer.
They are truly amazing people. Let me know if you ever find one.
Sad story. I don't like the cost of medications. Unfortunately, he didn't ask for help. I wonder if there was a less expensive option for him. I've found you have to look around.
According to his mom, the $40,000 a year he made as a single person did not qualify him for any kind of assistance. It also made insurance prohibitively expensive - more than half his salary when you factor in premiums and deductibles.
Reason number 1,284 why we need a single-payer healthcare system.
But this is not a socia!ist country, like some of them over in Europe, or Canada. I assume you are looking for a single payer system. We don't have that here, and won't in the foreseeable future. You are asking for the government to take from taxpayers to fund a free ride for the unhealthy.
Medical insurance is not a right, any more than auto insurance is a right. If you don't drive carefully, you will pay a higher premium. Same with your health - those who smoke, drink, eat too much, or sit on their axes all day cannot expect the rest of us to subsidize that behavior. And that's exactly what a single payer system requires - the rest of us to support the bad habits of the few. The government isn't paying those premiums, we are.
First, medical insurance and car insurance are not the same thing. No one ever died from not having car insurance. Also, the constitution guarantees the right to life. No where does it mention the right to own or operate a car.
Second, you do realize that you already pay for healthcare for uninsured people, right? What do you think Medicare is? You are currently paying more for your healthcare and insurance to cover the cost of providing care for those without insurance. In fact, most people would actually pay LESS in taxes for a single-payer system than they currently do in co-pays, premiums, deductibles, and things that are not covered. WHy do you want to pay more?
...all in the only first-world, industrialized, wealthy nation on earth that does not provide adequate medical care for its citizens without bankrupting them. And allows pharma to gouge like slumlords. (Oh, and advertise useless vanity meds nonstop - one of two nations that does.)
Well it's easy to do when the pharma companies donate heavily to both parties but then zealots think it's only the OTHER party causing the problem. I mean, when pharma has useful idiots like that, they've got it made.
The solution to a problem like this one is self-evident.
Its a question of developing the political will to carry it out.
We regulate the prices that public utilities can charge by establishing a public utilities commission in each state. The gas company and electric company are not allowed to charge whatever they want. They are limited by the commission to charging what is a price that that is will pay them a reasonable rate of return based on the capital invested in the utility.
The same sort of system needs to be put into place with the respect to life-saving medications. Insulin is a textbook example of why the system needs to change. People don't ask to develop diabetes. A certain percentage of children simply develop the disease and have to deal with it-- like my wife-- for the rest of their lives.
Other countries are already doing the same thing. The countries in Europe and throughout the western world do not pay what pharmaceutical companies would like. They bargain directly with the company and the company ends up taking a lower price than Americans have to pay for the same thing. It makes far more sense than what we do.
If you are really so screwed up that you believe that it is more important for a business to be able to charge whatever it wants for a life saving medication than for innocent people to get that product at a reasonable price (one that guarantees the business some level of profit) you are a twisted and demented person. If you think that way, I am honestly sorry that I have to live in the same country with you.
Its tough to be so blunt, but there comes a point when choices have to be made. Frankly, it just doesn't cut it for me when someone who opposes any change in the existing order screams "soclalism, socialism, socialism". I couldn't care less.
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