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Old Yesterday, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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That should be in a labor contract: No Butt Wiping!
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Old Yesterday, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That man needs a mental evaluation. Depending on the results, he needs to either be banned from flying or he needs a caregiver who can help him if he is not capable of taking care of himself.
You'd be surprised how many people expect others to be unpaid caregivers to them.
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Old Yesterday, 03:35 PM
 
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She's not lying, and this is not a sob story from some poor disabled guy. This guy is a habitual offender. He is known to flight attendants on EVA airlines because he always exhibits this type of behavior. When he can't get a female flight attendant to "help" him get off, then he craps his pants, making the flight many times more miserable for everyone. He's figured out a way to force the hapless cabin crew into pressuring a female flight attendant do this for him, rather than clean up the disaster he will make, otherwise.

This isn't because of a disability, but rather because he believes that Asians are subhuman servants for him. He regularly uses EVA airlines to transit through Taipei on his way to Thailand, where he can pay for more types of female attention.

EVA needs to stand up for its flight attendants, especially against filth like this. This guy should have a lifetime ban from flying on any airline, and Thailand should examine whether he has committed any crimes and should ban him from entry if necessary. He's an embarrassment to all of us. This is all over the news in Taiwan and other SE Asian countries. Trash like this are the new face of ugly Americans for many Asians.
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Old Yesterday, 04:22 PM
 
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That is one disgusting human.

I feel the airline had an issue on their hands. If they let this man with feces on his legs and go back to his seat he will spread bio hazard waste all over the plane. This will result in a bad smell, contamination, someone else getting sick, bacteria getting in the air, etc.

The flight attendant went above and beyond.
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Old Yesterday, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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She's not lying, and this is not a sob story from some poor disabled guy. This guy is a habitual offender. He is known to flight attendants on EVA airlines because he always exhibits this type of behavior. When he can't get a female flight attendant to "help" him get off, then he craps his pants, making the flight many times more miserable for everyone. He's figured out a way to force the hapless cabin crew into pressuring a female flight attendant do this for him, rather than clean up the disaster he will make, otherwise.
Do you have a link to this? I haven't read anywhere that he's done this on other airlines. Not that I'm defending him, because I do think he's quite disgusting. I just would like to see the link to the information you presented here. I would have simply refused to wipe him. Unless he pointed a gun at her, she wasn't forced.
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Old Yesterday, 05:22 PM
 
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Do you have a link to this? I haven't read anywhere that he's done this on other airlines. Not that I'm defending him, because I do think he's quite disgusting. I just would like to see the link to the information you presented here. I would have simply refused to wipe him. Unless he pointed a gun at her, she wasn't forced.
https://chinapost.nownews.com/20190122-497992

This is the kindest English-language news I could find. If you can read Chinese, then you can see some much more unkind reporting and much more graphic details.

So here's the actual details, in order:

Last time, the passenger defecated on himself because no female crew member would "help" him.

During this flight:

First he demanded to be relocated from his 1 purchased coach-class seat to a full empty row. The flight crew complied because the flight had empty rows.

Then he demanded to use the business class toilet because he was uncomfortable in the coach toilet. Again, compliance.

Then he said his hand was injured from surgery, and repeatedly demanded, over her objections, that a female crew member help him pull down his underwear. She put a blanket over his genitals and donned surgical gloves to do so. He pulled off the blanket while she was trying to help him.

Then he demanded that the bathroom door remain open because of supposed claustrophobia. At this point, the flight crew is beseiged by complaints from their business-class passengers because of the commotion, sights, and stench.

Then he demanded to be wiped. Again, multiple objections from the female crewmember. Lots of yelling from this disgusting man, more furious business-class passengers.

Flight attendent finally put on 3 layers of gloves and wiped him, to end the crisis. During this, he made sure to expose himself, and made additional demands to wipe deeper.

Upon landing, he was wheeled to his connecting flight by a male assistant. He was taken to the bathroom. The male helper asked if he needed assistance with wiping. This guy said he didn't need any help.


So, no, nobody put a gun to her head. However this guy knows the social pressures and social/business hierarchy of Asian airlines and exploited it to pressure a hapless female flight attendant into a sexually abusive situation. Flight attendents are at the bottom rung on these airlines, and both passengers and their management regularly exploit their disadvantaged position. This is just a particular egregarious example.
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Old Yesterday, 05:46 PM
 
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https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30680631-post33.html

From Flyertalk:

Summary of the events:
  • 2h30min in, pax says he needs to use the J lav to relieve himself
  • Arrangements made with J team to block off the lav for him
  • 3 FAs and DP assist Pax to J lav
  • Pax goes in, one minute later rings the call button, the front is off but the back isn't; they need to help him take off his underpants or he will just dump into his pants
  • Crew brings a blanket to block the view, he hits the FA on the hand and tells her to take it away and help him...she obliges
  • He sits down and spreads his legs, exposing his genitals to the FA
  • They close the door, which he objects to. He says he is having shortness of breath from claustrophobia and they need to keep it open; they refuse but keep the door unlocked
  • After 15 min., he says he is done. They open the door to find him still sitting on the can with his pants at his ankles. He says "I'm done. You can wipe my butt now". She initially objects, to which he berates her saying she promised him and now she needs to do what he promised or he will just sit in the toilet for the rest of the flight
  • CP makes the call that cannot happen (J cannot lose a lav to this guy and the flight calls for severe turbulence throughout the flight so they cannot just leave him there), she will be the one wiping his butt, the FA will hold him in the front. They give him a blanket to coverup, he throws it off.
  • CP wipes, where he says "hmmmmmm, deeper, deeper". After wiping, he says she didn't do it properly. CP wipes 3 TIMES!!! After that, he says "you better have wiped me clean"
  • FA pulls his pants up for him after he demands she do it and says he will faint in the lav if she does not
  • Pax escorted back to seat, he uses the can for #2 again later in the flight, different group of FAs do the same as above (CP wipes again).

Post-flight till Press Conference:
  • The affected FA is a high profile TFAU union member
  • Report made but no contact with any flight attendant until the news broke the story
  • BR refused to approve work injury leave for the flight attendant when she called on her own accord
  • The CP has been called in for questioning; questions mainly were "why is there so many pictures of the pax on the internet? Who allowed this to happen? Why did it make it online? Why is the pax history online?" FAs say it is clear BR is asking why this story made the news and gave them a bad name.
  • LAX team will be questioned as well; union says they will most likely be punished and hope that they will not be.

Pax History:
  • Last assignment that any FA can remember with this guy is May of 2018 LAX-TPE-BKK. On that flight, the FA objected to helping him in the bathroom. He returns to his seat and proceeds to take #2 in the seat. The whole cabin proceeds to smell like this for the rest of the flight. A pax reportedly complains to the company and the Y crew is called in for a disciplinary hearing. There, they are warned and questioned as to why they affected other pax and did not instead agree so that no one else's experience would be ruined. FAs let off with a warning.
  • He pissed himself on another flight after they did not help him in the bathroom. The aircraft had to be pulled off the line so the seat trio could be removed and replaced.
  • He asked a Thai crew member on another flight to help clean and change his diaper. They refused and he proceeded to overflow his diaper into the cabin. Another pax complains and they are called in and warned again.
  • On another flight, he threatened to faint and lay in the cabin to make their lives worst if they did not help him.
  • On the connecting TPE-BKK flight, he spills juice into his crotch area and then demands they wipe it for him. They gave him napkins to clean himself, but he wants them to clean it and says "you can do better".

Union demands:
  • Help FA pursue legal remedies against pax
  • Blacklist Pax
  • Allow time off for the FAs involved
  • Improve SOP for blacklisting pax (they already have one)
  • Improve WHCR handling so these kinds of people never make it onboard ever again; practice strict procedures with WHCR pax
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Old Yesterday, 06:03 PM
 
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Get his azz sent back where he belongs and where people will tell him to go F*** himself if making such a demand, then make sure he gets barred from flying from ALL airlines.

I'dda rustled up some 80 grit emery cloth and wiped him good! He'd never pull that one again.

I read recently that someone performing badly on a cruise ship was summarily banned from any and all cruise ships through them communicating with each other.

Enabling this cretin by allowing him on any plane is tantamount to inviting more of them to act out.
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Old Yesterday, 07:11 PM
 
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Another reason for airplanes to have a 'brig' in the hold. Put a large diaper on him and duct tape it closed so he can sit in it. In a case like this I think he needs to be banned in perpetuity or solve the issue be being 'flushed' over a body of water sometime before landing as I have a difficult time thinking this passenger would have anyone miss him.



He'd be one large chunk of descending blue ice!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ice_(aviation)
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Old Yesterday, 07:25 PM
 
Location: The High Seas
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No fly list from now on.
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