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Old 01-29-2019, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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I have a daughter who is getting ready to turn 13. We live in a very nice community, but unfortunately I've already had the discussion (as should all) with her in regards to what rape means. It's very scary, but I went to school with a girl who was raped at 13 and she almost died because she was also stabbed several times after and it was by a juvenile. Kids seem to trust others that are their own ages even more, so education and communication with our children is a first priority!

For 13 year old boys to be doing this it obviously makes me question their upbringing. I know you can't blame everything on parents, but if one is raised with the importance of morals it sure does deter from doing crimes like this! Makes you wonder how these boys were raised?
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I have a daughter who is getting ready to turn 13. We live in a very nice community, but unfortunately I've already had the discussion (as should all) with her in regards to what rape means. It's very scary, but I went to school with a girl who was raped at 13 and she almost died because she was also stabbed several times after and it was by a juvenile. Kids seem to trust others that are their own ages even more, so education and communication with our children is a first priority!

For 13 year old boys to be doing this it obviously makes me question their upbringing. I know you can't blame everything on parents, but if one is raised with the importance of morals it sure does deter from doing crimes like this! Makes you wonder how these boys were raised?
This doesn't shock me. I knew 14 year old boys in school who would force their hands up girl's skirts. There might have been more than what I saw, too. They came from privileged backgrounds, too. It's sad but true that some young males this age already show sexual aggression.
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:21 PM
 
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This is the problem.

Apparently everyone knew about this girl, and no one did anything. i know back in the 70's and prior, it was just ignored when girls have fallen so completely off the rails that they're behaving this way.

When she's 30, she'll tell aghast girlfriends that when she was 11, she was having all kinds of sex and everyone knew about it, and she even told a friend's mom she had genital herpes and no one even called CPS.

Or did you call CPS? If she was treated by a doctor, they would have called.


Men who are "lured" by an 11 year old girl are predators, and that's how she got that way in the first place.
I agree predators are the reason she got that way. Most girls who are sexually active at a very young age such as 11 were sexually abused well before beginning their consensual forays.
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Old 01-29-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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And they'll get off light because of their ages.

Mad dogs get put down. These animals will go to day-camp for 4-6 years, then be released back into human society.

Watch you back, Delaware.
They won't even get 4-6 years.
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Old 01-29-2019, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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This doesn't shock me. I knew 14 year old boys in school who would force their hands up girl's skirts. There might have been more than what I saw, too. They came from privileged backgrounds, too. It's sad but true that some young males this age already show sexual aggression.
Plus, now, with unfettered access to the internet, these kids can see all kinds of porn online without having the maturity to be able to contextualize or understand what they're seeing.
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Old 01-29-2019, 03:38 PM
 
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No I did not call CPS; she already had an extensive case with them, being shuttled between the heroin addicted Mother and the Grandfather, she had a social worker and the school was well aware. This was hardly a secret. I asked her if the rumor was true that she had herpes and she confirmed it was a fact. Lmao you're thinking I was some confidante she came to in tears...not hardly.

This was in a very nice middle class neighborhood so her "case" stood out as it was not the norm. Everyone knew about the family as they were anomalous in our 'hood.
Always, always, always report it. Always. Just because she was already in the system, and they were aware, doesn't mean you don't report it. You haven't seen her case file. You don't know what they knew. You only heard rumors. Maybe some things were dismissed because there wasn't enough corroborating evidence. The more people report on a case, the stronger the case will be and will only help the victim. I find it kind of disturbing that you didn't think you needed to report it.

I am a teacher. That makes me a mandated reporter. Being very nice middle class does not mean squat. Abuse happens (a lot) in all socio-economic classes. I work in the wealthiest zip code in my city, and I have had many instances of abuse that involved CPS, courts, etc. The only difference is that when rich people are accused, less people come forward because, like you, they think it already "stands out." Or that such a "nice" family wouldn't be doing that. Rich people also have the money to lawyer up and find psychologists to say what they want them to, and usually go unpunished. Or they just move, because they can afford to. Abuse happens just as much in rich neighborhoods as poor. Just wealthy people get away with it more often.
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Old 01-29-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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Do you have any data showing this is true? I'm just curious.

Can't you just google it? We've been putting people on sex offender registries for decades but it's not reducing sex crimes.

https://cumberlink.com/news/local/cl...8ad9d6620.html




https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi...ntext=articles


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We find that notification may actually increase recidivism.
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:44 PM
 
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Shocked i tell ya. Theres a serious culture problem.
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Can't you just google it? We've been putting people on sex offender registries for decades but it's not reducing sex crimes. s[/url]
I fail to see how being on the registry makes them more likely to re-offend.

It may be true that the registry doesn't prevent sex crimes, but I doubt that being on the registry actually causes offenders to rape, molest, etcetera.

If registries don't reduce sex crimes, that's actually a strong argument for locking them up longer.
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Old 01-29-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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Can't you just google it? We've been putting people on sex offender registries for decades but it's not reducing sex crimes.

https://cumberlink.com/news/local/cl...8ad9d6620.html




https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi...ntext=articles
Your first link indicates that people on the sex offender registry are extremely unlikely to reoffend.

Intuitively, I'd say that's true. They are prevented from interacting with the public, and it's completely working. The link states that sex crimes are very largely committed by people who are NOT on the registry, and extremely few by those who ARE on the registry.

I didn't read through the entire second link because it was extremely lengthy and technical; the first link answered the question.

I have a problem with sex offender registries, and how they're applied. There are people on that registry who don't belong there, IMHO, a 20 year old in a love relationship with a 16 year old, and her parents hate him. A drunken encounter between two college students.

I'd like to see the registry deal with true predators, and not ruin the lives of people who are innocent of being predatory.

If your whole point is that the THREAT of being put on a sex offender registry hasn't deterred people from committing future crimes, I'd agree with that.

Just like any extreme punishment threat doesn't deter criminals; there's no evidence whatsoever that the posibility of the death penalty has deterred people from committing crimes.

And I really don't understand why sex offenders are put on a registry where they are the pariahs of society, and murderers and torturers and armed robbers are not, in the absence of a heinous sex crime.
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