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Old Yesterday, 12:04 PM
 
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In all fairness, animal abuse is not limited to Alaska, it happens everywhere. And unfortunately it seems that legal punishment usually only amounts to a slap on the wrist. I agree that these "hunters" should be dealt with a lot harsher, they are a disgrace.
I didn't say it was limited to Alaska. It is, however, commonplace enough that those who actually live there hear about it — or witness it — happening in their community on a fairly regular basis.
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Old Yesterday, 12:05 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I bet even (most) hunters would be disgusted by this.

An Alaskan father and his son who were caught on camera killing a black bear and her two cubs have been sentenced to jail, fines and hunting suspensions.
Andrew Renner, 41, will spend three months in jail, pay a $9,000 fine, forfeit his boat, truck, firearms and poaching gear -- and lose his hunting privileges for 10 years, according to a news release from the state of Alaska. His 18-year-old son, Owen Renner, was sentenced to probation and community service and will be required to take a hunters' safety course, according to the statement obtained by CNN. His hunting license also has been suspended for two years.

The Renners were out skiing on April 14 when they approached the bears' den, Alaska Wildlife Troopers said in a statement last August. Owen Renner fired twice at the adult bear while it slept in its den, the troopers said. Then, Andrew Renner killed the "shrieking" cubs, leaving their bodies outside the den, the troopers' statement said. The Renners butchered the adult bear and returned two days later to dispose of the cubs' bodies and collect shell casings, according to the troopers.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/us/al...rnd/index.html
Hunting bears and cubs in their winter dens is allowed in parts of Alaska by the general public, and to Native people anywhere, where it's traditional. I guess this guy and his son were in the wrong place at the wrong time?
http://www.newsminer.com/features/ou...e8281fc17.html

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Two OneProtest volunteers traveled to Anchorage in November to ask Alaska’s Board of Game to eliminate the two exceptions for Alaska’s prohibition on killing bear cubs: Alaska’s rules allow the killing of cubs in the Yukon Flats north of Fairbanks under a provision the OneProtest volunteers learned was created because of nuisance bears. In a second, and geographically larger area, the rules allow the killing of cubs in bear den hunts.

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Old Yesterday, 12:14 PM
 
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What? Alaska made it legal to shoot bears in their dens a couple of years ago. Was that law reversed?
This NYT article answers your question.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/u...er-alaska.html
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Old Yesterday, 12:19 PM
 
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Hunting bears and cubs in their winter dens is allowed in parts of Alaska by the general public, and to Native people anywhere, where it's traditional.
Stop lying. It's never been legal to kill a mother and/or cubs.
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Old Yesterday, 12:24 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Stop lying. It's never been legal to kill a mother and/or cubs.
If the article you linked is correct then it is legal on "certain state and federal lands where it is deemed a customary and traditional practice".
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Old Yesterday, 12:30 PM
 
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If the article you linked is correct then it is legal on "certain state and federal lands where it is deemed a customary and traditional practice".
The natives have their own "laws" that don't apply here. I was responding to this statement anyway.

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Hunting bears and cubs in their winter dens is allowed in parts of Alaska by the general public
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Old Yesterday, 12:34 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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The natives have their own "laws" that don't apply here. I was responding to this statement anyway.
I figured that it pertained to native tribes but the article was unclear and I didn't want to wade through page after page of an Alaskan game law PDF.
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Old Yesterday, 12:38 PM
 
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I didn't say it was limited to Alaska. It is, however, commonplace enough that those who actually live there hear about it — or witness it — happening in their community on a fairly regular basis.

I wasn't trying to imply you did, just that unfortunately it happens everywhere.
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Old Yesterday, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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If the article you linked is correct then it is legal on "certain state and federal lands where it is deemed a customary and traditional practice".
I dont care if it was legal, its not very sportsmanlike and not something I would ever take part in.
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Old Yesterday, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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This is just the tip of Alaska's iceberg concerning animal cruelty issues. The state attracts a lot of despicable people because they think they'll have the freedom there to...be despicable.
Unfortunately all rural areas seem to attract those types. Alaska probably attracts more than most, given how remote much of the state is, but I've always been struck by how many people seem to believe that they should be free to do whatever the Hell they want to do, regardless of the consequences (to other people, to wildlife, or to the environment in general), simply because they live in a rural area.

Some people are just selfish, and others are just cruel; the very worse, of course, are both.
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