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Old Yesterday, 03:12 PM
Status: "waiting for God," I am female" (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Northern panhandle WV
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It's not so much about adaptation, it's just that animals don't need to go out and work for a living to keep a roof over their head. Ever hear about migration and hibernation?
Also every year there are some animals that freeze to death in bad situations.

Unfortunately I had an aunt with dementia that got up one night to go to the bathroom and mistakenly went out the back door and could not get back in and froze to death on the lawn. I actually heard about it on a radio broadcast, this was in RI.
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Old Yesterday, 03:23 PM
 
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Im sorry to say, but people should not be living in areas where you can literally die just from being outside!


I heard a coworker talking about this from a different perspective, something Ive never thought about, we get these extreme cold temps every year for the most part, but deaths from exposure continue to happen year after year...why are humans not 'adapting' or evolving to their environments? It seems logical that since this has been something certain areas have to deal with every year, the human body would 'adapt' in order to survive, maybe adding more body fat before winter comes or some other physical mechanism that would allow the body the survive extreme cold.

Human's do adapt very well. As a Canadian who survives without any trouble when it is cold, I say it is adaptation and preparedness that enables us to survive. My African immigrant friends tell me they would rather contend with cold and prefer it over the heat of their home countries. Happy here.

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the human body would 'adapt'
In the deep cold just add a layer of clothing the colder it gets. Maybe a knitted winter top then over that a sweater/cardigan, over that a hoodie, scarf, balaclava. and then the winter coat overall. Wear a hat to stop heat from escaping through the top of your head. Body heat trapped under the layers keeps you warm as toast.

In polar weather, if you fall into the snow drunk and pass out you will die if someone does not discover you soon enough to warm you up. If you fall down in the blazing sun from thirst and heatstroke you will die if someone does not rescue you soon enough to give you drink and cool you off.

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people should not be living in areas where you can literally die just from being outside!
Your home in California a survivable place to live. Raging heat, fires, earthquakes, shortage of water but people flock there. Residents just accept the conditions they live under where ever they hang their hat.
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Old Yesterday, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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"23 people killed as a result of extreme weather conditions!"


How about a reality check:
"23 people died as a result of not being prepared for extreme weather conditions!"


Oh, I know, it is extremely inappropriate to speak ill of the dead. Never, EVER state the obvious, that they simply were not prepared.
Even if it is true...
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Old Yesterday, 03:44 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Im sorry to say, but people should not be living in areas where you can literally die just from being outside!


I heard a coworker talking about this from a different perspective, something Ive never thought about, we get these extreme cold temps every year for the most part, but deaths from exposure continue to happen year after year...why are humans not 'adapting' or evolving to their environments? It seems logical that since this has been something certain areas have to deal with every year, the human body would 'adapt' in order to survive, maybe adding more body fat before winter comes or some other physical mechanism that would allow the body the survive extreme cold.
You don't have to adapt your body to the environment if you are not exposed to it. That's what humans do... avoid their environments instead of adapt to them. Technically, a human can succumb to hypothermia at temperatures below 56 F. That isn't extreme at all. We create heated shelter, design insulating clothing and transportation, find ways to dismiss reality. We use use our brains to survive bad conditions, not our bodies. There are humans who can tolerate somewhat colder conditions than other humans (Inuit, Sherpas) but even they still rely on their inventions and knowledge, not their bodies. Even if you did happen to be adapted to some sort of poor weather there is no guarantee you'll survive something out of the ordinary if you are not in perfect condition. Animals who are physically adapted to a severe place also die in extreme events.

This was out of the ordinary.
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Old Yesterday, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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"23 people killed as a result of extreme weather conditions!"

How about a reality check:
"23 people died as a result of not being prepared for extreme weather conditions!"
So when you're turned into a 100-foot red smear we can just cluck knowingly and say you weren't prepared for a drunk driver on your street?

Or when you choke on a bite of filet mignon we can smugly say you weren't prepared for a cow that decided to fight back?

Or when a minor flu variant knocks you dead in 36 hours we can laugh about how you weren't prepared to fight an itty-bitty bug?

Yes, some of these people probably did stupid, inadvisable things. But underestimating just how vicious and deadly this kind of weather can be is not a willful fault of every victim. Only a few small pockets of the US have seen these conditions in recent generations.
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Old Yesterday, 05:15 PM
 
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"23 people killed as a result of extreme weather conditions!"


How about a reality check:
"23 people died as a result of not being prepared for extreme weather conditions!"


Oh, I know, it is extremely inappropriate to speak ill of the dead. Never, EVER state the obvious, that they simply were not prepared.
Even if it is true...
You can be prepared and still die. All it takes is one mistake or even a little mishap. No one is perfect.
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Old Yesterday, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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Something must've happened to him other than just being in the cold.

I was out in it, 15 miles away from where he was.
About five minutes was enough... it got hard to breathe and my face was starting to hurt!

From Thursday AM to Saturday Noon, the temperature went up 75 degrees. Craziest weather I've ever seen.
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Old Yesterday, 09:18 PM
 
Location: NYC
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In a way he is fortunate that he died a painless death. So many seniors can only dream of having a pain free unassisted death.
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Old Yesterday, 09:58 PM
 
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I do think freezing to death must be one of the more peaceful ways to go, considering you just "go to sleep" but that's pretty morbid.
There have been some awful pictures of blackened, frostbitten faces! Ewwww!
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Old Today, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Crook County, Illinois
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I heard a coworker talking about this from a different perspective, something Ive never thought about, we get these extreme cold temps every year for the most part, but deaths from exposure continue to happen year after year...why are humans not 'adapting' or evolving to their environments? It seems logical that since this has been something certain areas have to deal with every year, the human body would 'adapt' in order to survive, maybe adding more body fat before winter comes or some other physical mechanism that would allow the body the survive extreme cold.
Well, all the chicken littles are saying that the world is warming up, and will get hot as Hades any minute now. So why bother adapting to colder temperatures, if the world is supposed to get unbearably warm? Except when it doesn't!

Unless of course, cold = "weather", and warm = "climate". In which case, I'm too busy facepalming to argue. As for increasing body fat, McDonald's et al. are at your service.

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