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Old Yesterday, 11:26 AM
 
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Are you familiar with mathematical logic? In math, the opposite of "for all" (symbol: upside-down A) isn't "none", it's "there exists" (symbol: backwards E). Here's a real life example: someone tells you "All Americans are fat." You'll come back with: "No, all Americans aren't fat." But remember: in math, there's no such thing as emphasis or tone. Go ahead and say "all Americans aren't fat" in monotone; it'd be wrong too. To properly negate that person's statement, you'd have to say: "No, there's at least one American who's isn't fat." Which effectively makes the "all" part false. So, if at least one region on Earth is getting colder, then the "warming" isn't "global", now is it? "But, but, but... climate change". The gig is up: people on both sides of the argument know it's a transparent euphemism for "global warming". Which doesn't exist.

Well, if you look at it that way, the increasing obesity rate in America can be seen as an adaptation to the warming, er... cooling "climate". I mean, if the "warming" planet brings colder winters, then perhaps we Americans are adapting to the increasingly colder, longer winters by gaining weight. Unfortunately, neither our bodies or evolution at large have a way of knowing there's a McDonald's on every corner.
I think it has more to do with high fructose corn syrup. The people who are getting fat eat more fattening food. If it were evolutionary, A. All the obese people would be in cold climes, and I've been to Florida enough times to know that's not the case, and B. People who ate healthy foods would be gaining weight too. Metabolism would slow for everyone in the cold climes, not just some.
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Old Yesterday, 11:27 AM
 
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Exactly. Fail on the article.
The cold and stress from the cold could certainly be a factor in a heart attack or stroke.
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Old Yesterday, 11:31 AM
 
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President Trump says there is no such thing as Climate Conteol issues ... this is why “Reading Is Fundamental.
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Old Yesterday, 11:45 AM
 
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Are you familiar with mathematical logic? In math, the opposite of "for all" (symbol: upside-down A) isn't "none", it's "there exists" (symbol: backwards E). Here's a real life example: someone tells you "All Americans are fat." You'll come back with: "No, all Americans aren't fat." But remember: in math, there's no such thing as emphasis or tone. Go ahead and say "all Americans aren't fat" in monotone; it'd be wrong too. To properly negate that person's statement, you'd have to say: "No, there's at least one American who's isn't fat." Which effectively makes the "all" part false. So, if at least one region on Earth is getting colder, then the "warming" isn't "global", now is it? "But, but, but... climate change". The gig is up: people on both sides of the argument know it's a transparent euphemism for "global warming". Which doesn't exist.

Well, if you look at it that way, the increasing obesity rate in America can be seen as an adaptation to the warming, er... cooling "climate". I mean, if the "warming" planet brings colder winters, then perhaps we Americans are adapting to the increasingly colder, longer winters by gaining weight. Unfortunately, neither our bodies or evolution at large have a way of knowing there's a McDonald's on every corner.
So, you want us to go off-topic, eh? Or maybe global warming/colding is relevant to the frozen FedEx worker story?

We know the climate's getting warmer, because the ice sheets are melting at an alarming speed. The rapid melting of the Greenland ice sheet has been causing the Gulf Stream to slow down. Norway, which depends on the Gulf Stream for its habitability (Along with the UK), has been tracking that process very nervously, for well over over a decade. Once the Gulf Stream shuts down, they'll be in a mini-Ice Age. And the East Coast of North America may well be, too. We won't know until we get there. Which is going to happen much sooner than expected.

Will you, at that point, Mill-Urb, wag your finger at everyone, and say, "HA! I told you so! The whole "global warming" thing was a crock all along"?




Maybe what we're seeing, is a partial sneak preview.
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Old Yesterday, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Im sorry to say, but people should not be living in areas where you can literally die just from being outside!


I heard a coworker talking about this from a different perspective, something Ive never thought about, we get these extreme cold temps every year for the most part, but deaths from exposure continue to happen year after year...why are humans not 'adapting' or evolving to their environments? It seems logical that since this has been something certain areas have to deal with every year, the human body would 'adapt' in order to survive, maybe adding more body fat before winter comes or some other physical mechanism that would allow the body the survive extreme cold.

That's the thing. If you know its going to be really really cold, get your heater checked, stock up on all needs and supplies, especially food so if there is a storm you don't have to try opening the door. Keep the older clothes for a really cold day where a few to some extra layers make you feel a lot warmer. Check for cold air vents into the building, and prepare. You still won't enjoy it but you will be improving your chances and far more ready to deal with them. The first winter here in OK for me, from socal when socal didn't have anything like that, (some ten years ago), I followed a friends advise. Get stuff in cans, if possible over the frig. If power goes out you still have food. Don't depend on your plugged in heater. The electric system can be shut by the cold. Have LOTS of warm things AND others you may not think of like gloves, especially the ones which allow you to move your fingers and work in. And of course some fuzzy lined ones just for heat. That old coat which is no longer 'presentable' but IS very warm should have been stowed as a just in case. If it wasn't, be wearing it.


And learn about keeping the four legged crew warm, which is available on several pet oriented sites. Your dog and cat and so on will suffer more than you earlier than you to the cold.


If you took these 23rd century people to a place they'd end up forever they breathed, and they had a couple of you, (the guy/girl who sees coats as fashion, not warmth, and might have a collection of worthless but fashionable ones.) Then the conflict is quickly over and the ones from their old present, may have made a hard place for themselves with their sunny point of view.



But when huge change comes to your life, especially with things you can't do anything about but learn and hope, the survival gene which matters most isn't how tall, strong, talented in music or all those skills which might kick in later, but you have to get to later. Its the common sense, analitical things and the ability to ask the right questions.... How long do the left overs keep, for instance. Maybe you've never even had to consider it. Its the people who have been taught to be flexable who will end up the rulers of this new place.


And I wonder... it would be cool if the people who like to read science fiction and about strange new worlds, who like the repeats of their favorite shows, and who have in a sense that the maybe's do matter, even if we often have no idea why. Its the people willing to bend and lose the security blanket which just blinds them who will be running things in the end. If the idealists can keep on believing, but still survive, and deal with a reality which hurts but IS, maybe their words will too.



As for the body compensating for cold or heat, it is wonderfully flexable, but, and it is an important one, but if mentally you say this will be over tomorrow, so we'll just sit by the fire, and don't learn anything, then you continue to be a loser. Winners learn all they can, even if its not much good for today, there is always tomorrow. And gather any help and Ideas when the known isn't enough, and between the two sources, the synergy of real discovery is born.


Maybe the first prehuman who ever planted a few seeds learned because when they had been dining on the fruit, the seeds fell out, and they discovered later that there were many more of the plants which grew into more food than usual, the first part of learning to intentially control over let Mother Nature do Her thing. How many of us, if the cans were all empty, and the survivors gathered in little mini tribes for now, which trade as one of limited ways of surviving, ... how many of us would choose to look ahead instead where they would lead the new world? How long before they had tribalized their society into a managable system which likely would/will look more like a collection of tribes to those who 'rediscovery' them as strangers.
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Old Yesterday, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Im sorry to say, but people should not be living in areas where you can literally die just from being outside!


I heard a coworker talking about this from a different perspective, something Ive never thought about, we get these extreme cold temps every year for the most part, but deaths from exposure continue to happen year after year...why are humans not 'adapting' or evolving to their environments? It seems logical that since this has been something certain areas have to deal with every year, the human body would 'adapt' in order to survive, maybe adding more body fat before winter comes or some other physical mechanism that would allow the body the survive extreme cold.

It wouldn't be a bad idea, except for the people who have tried and tried to stay what anyone who understands *why* we are programmed to fatten up especially in winter. They bundle in a foot of clothes and portable or wired heaters to defeat the cold, since the body says fix it... but the body doesn't care about our 'social' rules. If this new idea of plumping up really happened, and again those with fat on the body were the smart and practical, I'm sure some to most of those already preprogrammed for skinny would have to eat and store again. Especially in cold, afterall we are *programmed* to store future heat fuel.


There is a difference between the 500 pound man who probably had an eating disorder and has made himself into someone who has daily problems moving around in a normal area, who can't do the things he/she *normally* would be able to and are as 'crippled' as the skinny fearing guy who is always cold. The smart among us reconizes that *some* backup energy is needed as fat because it is there to fix things, not push you up to the next size range. It wasn't created as a part of us when survival and living without perfect heating were accepted as the norm.


And the other factor is simple. We have lots of fun gagets and 'labor saving' items which spare us much of the body enhansing work our grandfathers had to do themselves. Children a hundred years ago were seldom overweight. Some of it was limited food, but most is/was due to the need to be strong, and do as needed, even if its not usually your job. When a house needed fixing or a barn was built, it was a group project. It was a gift and donation to the local community. Not only did it draw them closer, but it established ties. Today we seek to make our own pathway, but barely know the neighbors, and unless the calamedy is big, suffer our complaints alone.


I think if something broke these little catches of possibility from their shields, and we began to SEE the people not the label, it would do much more than we can imagine while locked inside our 'roles' in the big meladrama which is today. If we do not choose to do so, then eventually something else will do it for us, but likely without any consideration to our list of what comes first, and She will perhaps find some real respect again.
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Old Yesterday, 01:13 PM
 
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Im sorry to say, but people should not be living in areas where you can literally die just from being outside!


I heard a coworker talking about this from a different perspective, something Ive never thought about, we get these extreme cold temps every year for the most part, but deaths from exposure continue to happen year after year...why are humans not 'adapting' or evolving to their environments? It seems logical that since this has been something certain areas have to deal with every year, the human body would 'adapt' in order to survive, maybe adding more body fat before winter comes or some other physical mechanism that would allow the body the survive extreme cold.
How do Russians do it, if people shouldn't live in freezing-cold places/ How do all the reindeer herders, and Native Alaskans do it? They do it the way man in the North has always done; they wear fur. What kind of outerwear did FedEx guy, and his colleagues, have, I wonder?

There may be something to the suggestion another poster made; maybe he had a medical emergency (stroke, or whatever), fell, and couldn't get back up.
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Old Yesterday, 01:22 PM
 
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Very strange posts in this thread.

It gets cold every winter. This one was worse. The human race will go on.
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Old Yesterday, 01:23 PM
 
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How do Russians do it, if people shouldn't live in freezing-cold places/ How do all the reindeer herders, and Native Alaskans do it? They do it the way man in the North has always done; they wear fur. What kind of outerwear did FedEx guy, and his colleagues, have, I wonder?

There may be something to the suggestion another poster made; maybe he had a medical emergency (stroke, or whatever), fell, and couldn't get back up.
On what authority are you making your claim that Native Alaskans run around swathed in fur all winter? Because that isn't what happens anymore.
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Old Yesterday, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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On what authority are you making your claim that Native Alaskans run around swathed in fur all winter? Because that isn't what happens anymore.
You're really going to pick on a verb tense, here?
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