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Old 03-01-2019, 05:47 PM
 
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something isn't right here or your son had a terrible lawyer!

Most people don't get 25 years unless they have a kilo of cocaine, a gun and kiddie porn in their pocket as they are beating the guy up!
A person can get 25 on an attempted murder/kidnapping, etc charges on top. So for example, beating the guy nearly killing him, all the while preventing him from leaving, there would be zero self defense defense available, and depending on what actually happened, attempted murder and other charges could be applied.

But in this case, the person competing in UFC thus was sentenced for doing so in regards to the assault, is ridiculous. This goes along with the urban legend of "have to register with the police because I am a (insert your belt/combat art, etc here)".
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:01 PM
 
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Yes, you are misreading. Forgive me if I wasn't clear. We should all condemn those who victimize innocent animals. My point was only that if I had a son serving 25 years for victimizing another person, I wouldn't be here sermonizing about how despicable it is to beat an animal, or how proud I was of my son. Despite whatever that poster claims, her son wasn't given 25 years for being a humanitarian and protecting a dog against some "drug dealer".

Thanks for clarifying, glad to read you also condemn animal abusers.
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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Hunt them down and destroy them...Ultimately they are doing this because THEY are in pain, THEY are suffering (or have suffered violence done to them in the past), really the best thing for them is to be destroyed.



I think its safe to say, most people would agree, using violence on these kinds of people is certainly appropriate.
No.

Unless you are volunteering to be the first to go.
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Of course, one does not preclude the other, but she claimed to feel "proud" of her son's actions. Those were her words, not mine. You're welcome to believe her story if you wish, but the courts don't hand down 25-year sentences to choirboys who step in to protect innocent dogs.
You just joined City-Data, right? Well I've been a member since 2006, including a few years as moderator, and phonelady has been here since 2008... and since she's never struck me as a liar in the 11 years I've "known" her, I will err on the side of trusting her story is true. I don't KNOW if it is, but I'm not going to call her dishonest without good reason. YMMV, though.

Oh, and she never said his being in UFC was definitely why his sentence was so long - she said she suspected that played a role. So on that detail she could be wrong, but I'm not going to make any guesses as to the real reason/s. It's not my place, and also getting way off topic from the original post.

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Old 03-01-2019, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Crimes like this make me feel literally sick to my stomach.

Is it the internet/social media that allows us to hear about these crimes more, or are there more sickkos in this world these days?
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Ah, okay. Phonelady's son should have gotten a reward instead of going to jail. I hope he beat the crap out of the scum.
I don't normally condone violence, but I also wouldn't weep if I saw this going down... I'd step back and make sure they had enough room to get in some good punches, then maybe call the police before he killed the guy. Maybe.

Then again, if someone ever laid a hand on MY dog? You'd have to pry me off the SOB.
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:41 PM
 
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You just joined City-Data, right? Well I've been a member since 2006, including a few years as moderator, and phonelady has been here since 2008... and since she's never struck me as a liar in the 11 years I've "known" her, I will err on the side of trusting her story is true. I don't KNOW if it is, but I'm not going to call her dishonest without good reason. YMMV, though.
Yes, I'm a new member. And that's fair enough, I can appreciate the fact that you've "known" her for some time, and are willing to take her at her word. But please understand, I didn't come to my conclusion lightly. I've never heard of a single case in US history where a first-time offender in any state was sentenced to 25 years in prison for an aggravated assault. Even if it had been committed with a deadly weapon, against a police officer, and/or with great bodily injury, that would be an extreme sentence.
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Oh, and she never said his being in UFC was definitely why his sentence was so long - she said she suspected that played a role. So on that detail she could be wrong, but I'm not going to make any guesses as to the real reason/s. It's not my place, and also getting way off topic from the original post
Well, this is what she said:

"They gave him 25 yrs because it was considered assault with a deadly weapon because he was competing in a ufc tournament so therefore his hands were considered a deadly weapon.[emphasis mine]. I'm just quoting her, and I think that's pretty clear. She's free to come back and clarify, but given what she's offered so far, I don't think she's being honest. At the very least, she's not telling the whole story.
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:13 AM
 
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I think its safe to say, most people would agree, using violence on these kinds of people is certainly appropriate.
I must not be most people. While animal cruelty is awful, I'm more concerned about the human cruelty we see everyday.
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Old 03-02-2019, 09:39 AM
 
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I must not be most people. While animal cruelty is awful, I'm more concerned about the human cruelty we see everyday.
Some of us are concerned about both and don't disregard cruelty to animals because humans are also mistreated. Besides, cruelty to humans usually has enforced serious legal consequences, cruelty to animals often does not. And those of us who care about animals don't like that.
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Old 03-02-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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I must not be most people. While animal cruelty is awful, I'm more concerned about the human cruelty we see everyday.
A lot of the times it’s the same people perpetrating both. A man who comes home from work and kicks his dogs, is probably not going to treat his kids much better. A man who has a child gets off on torturing animals, it’s probably going to blow up and desire to do the same thing to humans. We ignore them at our own peril.

I also want to say, as a pet owner, torturing, beating killing someone’s animal is human cruelty because someone loves that animal.
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