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Old 03-02-2019, 01:43 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Yes, I'm a new member. And that's fair enough, I can appreciate the fact that you've "known" her for some time, and are willing to take her at her word. But please understand, I didn't come to my conclusion lightly. I've never heard of a single case in US history where a first-time offender in any state was sentenced to 25 years in prison for an aggravated assault. Even if it had been committed with a deadly weapon, against a police officer, and/or with great bodily injury, that would be an extreme sentence.Well, this is what she said:

"They gave him 25 yrs because it was considered assault with a deadly weapon because he was competing in a ufc tournament so therefore his hands were considered a deadly weapon.[emphasis mine]. I'm just quoting her, and I think that's pretty clear. She's free to come back and clarify, but given what she's offered so far, I don't think she's being honest. At the very least, she's not telling the whole story.



Well im back and yes everything I have said is to a tee . Because I could not afford a decent lawyer my son ended up with a public defender and they defend NOTHING !!!! They work for the state people and some like this poster must have never been involved with law enforcement at all nor do they even care how crooked the legal system is . And the price of good legal defense is how big is your wallet . Well I did not have the money to get him a good lawyer I wish I had he would probably not have served a day in jail !!! Yes his lawyer was crappy . Also for those of you who know me know , Im not a dishonest person and I don't make up stories . The guy who beat and terrorized me had the good fortune to kill himself and also I have also mentioned on here that the detective who interviewed me while I lay in the ambulance almost bleeding to death was an arse and tried to tell me it was all my fault that my whacko BIL: beat me almost to death some of you need to get out more and study your local and state laws they would make your eyes bug out . Yes IMHO my son does deserve a medal . He is sitting in a cell and where is the drug dealer /animal abuser at ? he is free to walk the streets because his drug money paid for a high priced suit . Tell me that is justice and if you do then you are part of the problem not the solution . a lot of my sons ufc friends send him money and visit him . They feel as I do he did not do anything wrong and also I pity any of you who get caught in a situation where you are a victim of the legal system . So good luck to you and I hope and pray none of you ever see the "real legal system ".
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Old 03-02-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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I must not be most people. While animal cruelty is awful, I'm more concerned about the human cruelty we see everyday.
You can actually be concerned with both you know.

Also, it is not uncommon, probably the norm, for a person who is cruel to animals to also be cruel to humans.
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:36 PM
 
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Well im back and yes everything I have said is to a tee . Because I could not afford a decent lawyer my son ended up with a public defender and they defend NOTHING !!!! They work for the state people and some like this poster must have never been involved with law enforcement at all nor do they even care how crooked the legal system is . And the price of good legal defense is how big is your wallet . Well I did not have the money to get him a good lawyer I wish I had he would probably not have served a day in jail !!! Yes his lawyer was crappy . Also for those of you who know me know , Im not a dishonest person and I don't make up stories . The guy who beat and terrorized me had the good fortune to kill himself and also I have also mentioned on here that the detective who interviewed me while I lay in the ambulance almost bleeding to death was an arse and tried to tell me it was all my fault that my whacko BIL: beat me almost to death some of you need to get out more and study your local and state laws they would make your eyes bug out . Yes IMHO my son does deserve a medal . He is sitting in a cell and where is the drug dealer /animal abuser at ? he is free to walk the streets because his drug money paid for a high priced suit . Tell me that is justice and if you do then you are part of the problem not the solution . a lot of my sons ufc friends send him money and visit him . They feel as I do he did not do anything wrong and also I pity any of you who get caught in a situation where you are a victim of the legal system . So good luck to you and I hope and pray none of you ever see the "real legal system ".
That doesn't clarify anything. You're just continuing to assert that what you said is true, and much of your post has no bearing on what we're talking about. According to your story, this supposed "drug dealer" was considered the victim. Why did he need a "high-priced suit"? Was he charged with something as well? How did his lawyer impact your son's case or his sentencing? And again, what state was this, and what were the official charges? What year? Did he plead out or go to trial? Jury or bench? Give us some details.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:02 PM
 
Location: southern kansas
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I must not be most people. While animal cruelty is awful, I'm more concerned about the human cruelty we see everyday.
Why should one be considered worse than the other?
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:08 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Why should one be considered worse than the other?
Not to pile on, on this particular poster, but I've never understood that thinking. Pain is pain. Fear is fear. It doesn't matter who/what is being subjected to it. Maybe if some people were somehow put in "just an animal's" position and see how it feels to be there, they just might change their thinking. Maybe.

Cruelty to people or animals enrages and disgusts me.
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Old 03-03-2019, 06:23 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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[quote=rftw;54577009]That doesn't clarify anything. You're just continuing to assert that what you said is true, and much of your post has no bearing on what we're talking about. According to your story, this supposed "drug dealer" was considered the victim. Why did he need a "high-priced suit"? Was he charged with something as well? How did his lawyer impact your son's case or his sentencing? And again, what state was this, and what were the official charges? What year? Did he plead out or go to trial? Jury or bench? Give us some details




You don't need details you are asking for things that are frankly none of your business . You are just looking to pick a fight and I wont banty words with a fool . Got it now ? Now please leave it alone . I have left as much details as im going too . so sorry I wont play into your world of calling people a liar so there will be no more of this on my part . Beside you are going off topic so that is all I have to say .
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Old 03-03-2019, 12:44 PM
 
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I must not be most people. While animal cruelty is awful, I'm more concerned about the human cruelty we see everyday.
Children that get their kicks abusing small animals...eventually do the same to humans though. At some point, abusing the animals no longer gives them the same thrill, thats when they make the jump to humans.


Like I said before though, ultimately they are doing these things because they are in pain, they are suffering trauma. being destroyed in the most humane thing for them.
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Old 03-03-2019, 07:01 PM
 
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That doesn't clarify anything. You're just continuing to assert that what you said is true, and much of your post has no bearing on what we're talking about. According to your story, this supposed "drug dealer" was considered the victim. Why did he need a "high-priced suit"? Was he charged with something as well? How did his lawyer impact your son's case or his sentencing? And again, what state was this, and what were the official charges? What year? Did he plead out or go to trial? Jury or bench? Give us some details




You don't need details you are asking for things that are frankly none of your business . You are just looking to pick a fight and I wont banty words with a fool . Got it now ? Now please leave it alone . I have left as much details as im going too . so sorry I wont play into your world of calling people a liar so there will be no more of this on my part . Beside you are going off topic so that is all I have to say .
I'm not looking to pick a fight, I'm just trying to ascertain the truth. For whatever reason, you've come here and spun a tale that is obviously not true. Any thinking person can see that. Just please be honest in your future posts.
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Old 03-03-2019, 07:05 PM
 
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Not to pile on, on this particular poster, but I've never understood that thinking. Pain is pain. Fear is fear. It doesn't matter who/what is being subjected to it. Maybe if some people were somehow put in "just an animal's" position and see how it feels to be there, they just might change their thinking. Maybe.

Cruelty to people or animals enrages and disgusts me.
I just don't think that's true though. Do you really think a fly has the same psychological understanding/appreciation of pain and fear as humans? Or a cow?
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Old 03-03-2019, 09:38 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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I just don't think that's true though. Do you really think a fly has the same psychological understanding/appreciation of pain and fear as humans? Or a cow?
Well, yes. Like if a fly lands on a smoking-hot surface, he'll probably think "F***, I need to get off this smoking-hot surface and fly away." I also just assume he'd probably prefer some psychopath didn't pull his wings off his back. Just my thoughts. Could be wrong.

Survival instinct and whatever?
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