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Old 03-11-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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China already has long since done this. But now it looks as if Russia will, too. Getting closer and closer to dropping the Iron Curtain again. With each loss of freedom, more and more educated young Russians leave. How much longer can this go on before Putin closes the gates, to prevent Russians from leaving?

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/11/70234...overnment-plan
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:40 PM
 
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Considering the vast and bewildering amount of porn that comes out of Russia, this won't work. Too many getting their tastes from online porn which is largely but not exclusively viewed outside of Russia.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/07...aren-t-alright
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:28 PM
 
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let the russian population continue to decrease.


its better long term. Less of a threat. Although I would worry about the golden horde causcuses
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Old 03-11-2019, 08:01 PM
 
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In the US, isn't it the de facto case that "data between users to be rerouted internally"? And users have to trust the authorities and regulators not to influence freedom on the net?
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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China already has long since done this. But now it looks as if Russia will, too. Getting closer and closer to dropping the Iron Curtain again. With each loss of freedom, more and more educated young Russians leave. How much longer can this go on before Putin closes the gates, to prevent Russians from leaving?

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/11/70234...overnment-plan
China doesn't seperate itself, it censors the internet via the "great firewall of China" so that certain content is restricted. Facebook, Youtube, Google, certain sites regarding tibet freedom, etc. Censorship is somewhat random and nonsensical. Once on one of my frequent business trips there I could not access CityData forums. They also monitor it (and load spyware on my laptop, but that's another topic). Most Chinese citizens just shake there head and get a VPN to get around it.

Russia may be planning something similiar.

North Korea might be a better example were the internet is shut off to all the population except a few party members. Some that do have access, it's only to the 30 or so websights that N. Korea manages.

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In the US, isn't it the de facto case that "data between users to be rerouted internally"? And users have to trust the authorities and regulators not to influence freedom on the net?
No comparison to even China of course, not even close. First of all China routes all global internet traffic through only 2 servers I think, so it's like a funnel that goes through and allows the Chinese regulators to pick and choose the website access it allows. And then we have that "pesky" First Amendment. The government can regulate child pornography, etc...but it's only option of doing so is to regulate if the servers and providers are in the US, and of course the users if perverts are found with this content on their PC. Otherwise for overseas servers they are helpless.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:10 PM
 
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Considering the vast and bewildering amount of porn that comes out of Russia, this won't work. Too many getting their tastes from online porn which is largely but not exclusively viewed outside of Russia.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/07...aren-t-alright
It's not just Russia. Matter of fact they're just playing catchup right now. The former Warsaw Pact countries are prime producers of pornography and have been for awhile. One of the top is said to be Hungary.

Russia is setting up this system for various reasons, one of which is to not be dependant on WESTERN internet infrastructure. They don't want to be cut off, dependence is slavery. We all know that. Security reasons are part of it too.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:37 PM
 
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Considering the vast and bewildering amount of porn that comes out of Russia, this won't work. Too many getting their tastes from online porn which is largely but not exclusively viewed outside of Russia.
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Pornography is protected free speech, even within the US, and in most countries is not illegal in and of itself. The USA has arbitrarily and unilaterally defined criminal "child pornography" as that which portrays participants who are above the age of consent in virtually every country in the world, including 40 US states.

Russia, among other countries, quite justifiably object to being censored by US nannies. They are seeking immunity from the censorship of Americans, and concern that Americans have unrestricted power to censor worldwide internet traffic to serve America's narrow interests.

Remember that powerful American interests have already brought net neutrality under attack, signalling clearly their contempt for internet fairness of access when it serves corporate interests...

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Old Yesterday, 06:57 AM
 
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Russia, among other countries, quite justifiably object to being censored by US nannies. They are seeking immunity from the censorship of Americans, and concern that Americans have unrestricted power to censor worldwide internet traffic to serve America's narrow interests.

Remember that powerful American interests have already brought net neutrality under attack, signalling clearly their contempt for internet fairness of access when it serves corporate interests...
What in the world are you even talking about? There are more than 30 million servers worldwide.
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Old Yesterday, 07:04 AM
 
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Censorship is somewhat random and nonsensical.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KenRoth/s...347904/photo/1
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Old Yesterday, 01:27 PM
 
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Considering the vast and bewildering amount of porn that comes out of Russia, this won't work. Too many getting their tastes from online porn which is largely but not exclusively viewed outside of Russia.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/07...aren-t-alright
Exactly. And you have to believe itís another shady way for the oligarchs to make a lot of money.
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