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Old 03-12-2019, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well, supposedly you need superior ability to earn a degree at these competitive institutions. The fact that those who were admitted via bribery were able to get through despite their truly mediocre SATs and mediocre high school grades does say something about these highly selective schools. Apparently, the selective part is admission - once you're in, it's possible to coast through.

So far, we've not yet heard of scandals like this affecting medical school admissions in the US. In the third world, you definitely can buy your degree - and then you can use that purchased degree to get into a residency program in the US! However, affirmative action DOES admit students with lower GPAs and lower MCATs to US medical schools. Some medical students take six years to get through four years of medical school. Some residents have to repeat a year or two of residency training in order to get through. But once they're credentialed, they can practice just as any other physician. And no one knows, and no one questions their credentials. There's not much one can do with an undergraduate degree that would endanger the public.

The fact that mediocre but wealthy students can buy their way into highly selective colleges, and still graduate, confirms that what these institutions are offering, at least at the undergraduate level, is a way to make connections with other wealthy young people and their families, for future business opportunities, and for marriage. The institutions themselves have been selling it for many years - donate a building, and junior gets admitted to Harvard. So why is it any surprise that the coaches and others wanted to get in on the gravy train?
Know 2 Stanford profs who said they were "discouraged" from giving out less than a B.

One was a chem prof. The other taught foreign language.
So not even same dept.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:55 PM
 
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A felony is a felony.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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These are just the cases that have been exposed. Who knows the true extent of all this?
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:34 PM
 
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Felicity is most widely known for her years on Desperate Housewives. She's also married to William H. Macy, I wonder if he knew?
If the transcripts in the indictment are any indication, he was in it up to his eyeballs.

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I can understand fraudulent transcripts and SAT scores, but don't understand how they can fake athletic ability. What coach would want to carry a slug for 4 years, who can't play?
A coach who received a large bribe. Once the student is admitted, they don't have to stay on the team. No one gets kicked out of school for leaving an athletic team as long as they keep paying tuition.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:38 PM
 
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Well, I guess 6.5 million isn't enough any more. Give 65 million and you'll have a library named after you, and your children will get in.

It's long been established what these universities are; at this point we're just determining the exact price.

And don't be deluded into thinking that if the daughter of the yard man gets into Harvard that she will be hobnobbing with the students whose parents are CEOs and senators and Supreme Court justices. No, Maria Elena won't be summering with her new friends Biff and Muffy on Martha's Vineyard. The closed system remains closed.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Wait a minute -- You mean a lot if rich kids were going to Ivy League schools, because they're rich? Joe Kennedy sent Jack to Harvard, without pulling any strings?
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:41 PM
 
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This "consultant" must have been some kind of figure. I can't even imagine how you would go about setting up a ring of bribery and fraud throughout multiple Ivy League schools. Yes it's terrible and illegal and I hope they all go to jail, but you almost have to admire the audacity of the scheme. I wonder if organized crime was involved? You'd think there must have been a threat of violence to get so many people to go along with it.
Threats are unnecessary when EVERYONE IS GETTING WHAT THEY WANT!

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Old 03-12-2019, 09:41 PM
 
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Alright, but it goes further than that. Every member of the team is going to know the kid can't compete at the college level. Questions are going to be asked. It's feasible with the obscure Title IX sports I guess. But it requires a lot of folks looking the other way, and keeping their mouths shut. I suppose you're going to tell me entire teams and their families and friends were on the take as well.

Things are a lot easier to fake in an academic setting. Sports and the arts, where an individual has to physically perform at a high level, aren't. That inability is on display to a bunch of people on a regular basis. It's not like sitting at a desk, and failing a written test.
Why are you assuming they are actually on a team? All the article said was they got a coach to call them "recruited athletes" to get past the school admissions. Doesn't mean they actually every met the coach or the team. Once they were admitted, just cut them from the roster and they continue on as regular students. Probably never even rostered.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:47 PM
 
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Well, supposedly you need superior ability to earn a degree at these competitive institutions. The fact that those who were admitted via bribery were able to get through despite their truly mediocre SATs and mediocre high school grades does say something about these highly selective schools. Apparently, the selective part is admission - once you're in, it's possible to coast through.
….?
Where are you getting this information? I didn't see anything about their SAT scores and grades being mediocre. For all we know their grades were just fine. Separate issue from buying admission to ensure they are socializing among the right power players.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:54 PM
 
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I wish i had more money than god


i'd sleep in
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