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Old 04-15-2019, 08:25 AM
 
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New Ontario bill considers scrapping Daylight Saving Time



https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca...t-savings-time

If you read the article the bill would actually make DST permanent in Ontario! They aren't looking to scrap it and the first line of the article contradicts the main headline! Many DST news articles i have read will have major contradictions like this, and it just seems that most people don't even understand how DST works...journalists included.

My best guess is that Canada, the USA, and Europe will all scrap the time changes in 2021 (with states/provinces deciding to either make DST permanent or to stay on standard time year-round). It's pretty much a done deal that Europe will be scrapping the time changes in 2021, and the question now becomes does Canada and the USA follow their lead. Based on all the DST bills that have already been approved in state legislators (California, Florida, Oregon, Washington, etc.), there seems to be strong support in America to get rid of the biannual time changes.
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Old 04-15-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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New Ontario bill considers scrapping Daylight Saving Time



https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca...t-savings-time

If you read the article the bill would actually make DST permanent in Ontario! They aren't looking to scrap it and the first line of the article contradicts the main headline! Many DST news articles i have read will have major contradictions like this, and it just seems that most people don't even understand how DST works...journalists included.

My best guess is that Canada, the USA, and Europe will all scrap the time changes in 2021 (with states/provinces deciding to either make DST permanent or to stay on standard time year-round). It's pretty much a done deal that Europe will be scrapping the time changes in 2021, and the question now becomes does Canada and the USA follow their lead. Based on all the DST bills that have already been approved in state legislators (California, Florida, Oregon, Washington, etc.), there seems to be strong support in America to get rid of the biannual time changes.
Unfortunately, I don't think it will be that simple. Maybe for the EU, but not for the US. Congress will leave it up to the states. Some states will choose permanent Daylight Saving Time, some will choose permanent Standard Time, and some will choose to continue making the time changes twice a year. Canada and Mexico will just copy whatever the neighboring US states decide to do.

That is how we got Daylight Saving Time in the first place. Congress only got involved in Daylight Saving Time after 50 years of some states observing it and some not. It will probably take 50 years again to get rid of the time changes.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:06 PM
 
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Unfortunately, I don't think it will be that simple. Maybe for the EU, but not for the US. Congress will leave it up to the states. Some states will choose permanent Daylight Saving Time, some will choose permanent Standard Time, and some will choose to continue making the time changes twice a year. Canada and Mexico will just copy whatever the neighboring US states decide to do.

That is how we got Daylight Saving Time in the first place. Congress only got involved in Daylight Saving Time after 50 years of some states observing it and some not. It will probably take 50 years again to get rid of the time changes.
Senator Rubio and Representative Buchanan have already introduced the Sunshine Protection Act in Congress that would make Daylight Saving Time permanent. If passed, the bill would amend the Uniform Time Act of 1966 to make Daylight Saving permanent, similar to what the Bush administration did when DST was extended back in 2005 (but unlike extending it a few extra weeks, it would be extended to be year-round). If the Sunshine Protection Act passes in Congress (and President Trump has already tweeted his support of the bill), then states would have to pick to observe year-round standard time or year-round DST. But states would not be allowed to stay under the current system of biannual time changes... the time changes would go away.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Senator Rubio and Representative Buchanan have already introduced the Sunshine Protection Act in Congress that would make Daylight Saving Time permanent. If passed, the bill would amend the Uniform Time Act of 1966 to make Daylight Saving permanent, similar to what the Bush administration did when DST was extended back in 2005 (but unlike extending it a few extra weeks, it would be extended to be year-round). If the Sunshine Protection Act passes in Congress (and President Trump has already tweeted his support of the bill), then states would have to pick to observe year-round standard time or year-round DST. But states would not be allowed to stay under the current system of biannual time changes... the time changes would go away.
I would prefer they do it the same way again. That change worked very well. Extend Daylight Saving Time one week earlier and one week later each year, until it extends year round. That would give people time to adjust to it, and see that kids are not going to start dying in mass at school bus stops, just because it's dark.

BTW the Sunshine Protection Act didn't get passed last year, and now it's been reintroduced two more times this year and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Just because a bill is introduced, doesn't mean it's going to become law anytime soon. It currently has a 7% chance of being enacted .

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S. 670: Sunshine Protection Act of 2019

Introduced:
Mar 6, 2019
Status: Introduced on Mar 6, 2019
This bill is in the first stage of the legislative process. It was introduced into Congress on March 6, 2019. It will typically be considered by committee next before it is possibly sent on to the House or Senate as a whole.

Prognosis: 7% chance of being enacted according to Skopos Labs (details)
Sunshine Protection Act of 2019 (S. 670) - GovTrack.us

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Old 04-15-2019, 01:15 PM
 
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I would prefer they do it the same way again. That change worked very well. Extend Daylight Saving Time one week earlier and one week later each year, until it extends year round. That would give people time to adjust to it, and see that kids are not going to start dying in mass at school bus stops, just because it's dark. [IMG]file:///C:/Users/tcreech/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
I think people are tired of the incremental changes when it comes to DST. Either do away with the time changes completely by making DST permanent (which is the option being considered) or keep things the way they are. In regards to safety at dark bus stops, schools may be starting classes too early to begin with as the American Academy of Pediatrics’ suggest that schools should not begin class before 8:30 a.m. If kids are dying off at the dark bus stop waiting to get picked up for their 7 a.m. school start time, then the school boards should be questioned why they aren’t adhering to the American Academy of Pediatrics. We’re told to vaccinate our kids to prevent the measles outbreaks, but school boards are largely ignoring their recommendations when it comes to school start times. Can’t blame that on DST really.

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BTW the Sunshine Protection Act didn't get passed last year, and now it's been reintroduced two more times this year and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Just because a bill is introduced, doesn't mean it's going to become law anytime soon. It currently has a 7% chance of being enacted .
Yes, the Sunshine Protection Act died in the last Congress session but has been reintroduced in this new session. Looking at what has been happening in the state legislators, over the past year Florida, Oregon, Washington, and California have passed bills that show their desire to go to permanent daylight saving time upon federal approval. In addition Arizona and Hawaii currently don’t observe DST. Those 6 states represent roughly 25% of the total population. There are also plenty of other states pushing for permanent DST bills that are proceeding forward (the latest one being North Carolina).

Permanent daylight saving time bill advances in NC House
https://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/P...508394061.html

It seems apparent that states throughout the country are pushing the federal government to act on the DST issue, and are in favor of getting rid of the time changes one way or another (by either staying on year-round standard time or going to permanent DST).
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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I think people are tired of the incremental changes when it comes to DST. Either do away with the time changes completely by making DST permanent (which is the option being considered) or keep things the way they are. In regards to safety at dark bus stops, schools may be starting classes too early to begin with as the American Academy of Pediatricsí suggest that schools should not begin class before 8:30 a.m. If kids are dying off at the dark bus stop waiting to get picked up for their 7 a.m. school start time, then the school boards should be questioned why they arenít adhering to the American Academy of Pediatrics. Weíre told to vaccinate our kids to prevent the measles outbreaks, but school boards are largely ignoring their recommendations when it comes to school start times. Canít blame that on DST really.


Yes, the Sunshine Protection Act died in the last Congress session but has been reintroduced in this new session. Looking at what has been happening in the state legislators, over the past year Florida, Oregon, Washington, and California have passed bills that show their desire to go to permanent daylight saving time upon federal approval. In addition Arizona and Hawaii currently donít observe DST. Those 6 states represent roughly 25% of the total population. There are also plenty of other states pushing for permanent DST bills that are proceeding forward (the latest one being North Carolina).

Permanent daylight saving time bill advances in NC House
https://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/P...508394061.html

It seems apparent that states throughout the country are pushing the federal government to act on the DST issue, and are in favor of getting rid of the time changes one way or another (by either staying on year-round standard time or going to permanent DST).
But incremental changes work. Especially for conservatives, who can't handle too much change, too quickly. The last time they changed it, they did it in incremental changes over several years, and most people didn't even notice the change. You can't argue with success. Also extending Daylight Saving Time in incrementals, will ensure that almost everybody eventually ends up on permanent Daylight Saving Time, rather than a patchwork of Daylight Saving and Standard Time.
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Old 04-20-2019, 01:38 AM
 
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I moved to a country with no Daylight Savings Time for a few years, and it was great. It sux having to deal with it again. They should get rid of it.

Plus many people believe it's unhealthy, because it gets in the way of the natural body clock.
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Old 04-20-2019, 02:06 AM
 
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This is the height of stupidity.
The whole reason for "high noon" was that was when the sun was highest in the sky.
Shifting clocks one hour ahead does not "save" daylight.
Why not just shift standard business hours instead of the clocks?
A clock can be changed in a few moments, but a lifetime of habituation that is anchored in time-of-day concepts, would change only with great difficulty and never at all for many people.
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Old 04-20-2019, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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I moved to a country with no Daylight Savings Time for a few years, and it was great. It sux having to deal with it again. They should get rid of it.

Plus many people believe it's unhealthy, because it gets in the way of the natural body clock.

The "body clock" has to change drastically, twice a year, to accommodate the length of daylight and sun intensity, at least in areas away from the Equator. I support establishing double-daylight time, with the clock moved two hours during 8 months of the year and just one hour, during the wintertime.
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Old 04-21-2019, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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I dont see the big deal of dst, we have been doing it for decades, while it would be better to not have it and keep the time the same all the time, I dont think its that big of a deal to do this twice a year.
As far as the kids going to school in the dark, just make the damn school day start a little later, whats the big problem.
why does everything have to be such a big freaking problem, and always take so long to change.
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