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Old 04-25-2019, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Tyler, Texas
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Again many couple who can’t have kids want babies, not kids. They want the newborn experience with bottles and diapers and first words and steps and all that. I had a coworker who waited 10 years for a baby.
Oh, I get it. They’re narcissists basically. They want a kid for the same reason someone wants a Bengal tiger or because it provides legitimacy to their social lives. Can’t believe I expected anything more from Americans.
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Old 04-25-2019, 12:05 PM
 
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This kid should have been out with kids at school and loved at home and guaranteed this would not happen, period. I hate home-schooling, all it does is isolate a child, IMO it's sick..


There are no guarantees on this planet when you're talking about human behavior. We know almost nothing about him. The boy may not have been able for a variety of reasons to handle public school. Many of the kids on my caseload have been expelled from school and have no choice -- it's a home-school option or nothing. Many of those kids are fostered or adopted, and many of them are excellently cared for. Not every home-schooling family is like the Turpins!
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Old 04-25-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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Oh, I get it. They’re narcissists basically. They want a kid for the same reason someone wants a Bengal tiger or because it provides legitimacy to their social lives. Can’t believe I expected anything more from Americans.

OR,


They don't want older kids that have been in the foster care system too long. The older the kid, the more likely there will be institutional problems.
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Old 04-25-2019, 01:10 PM
 
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Oh, I get it. They’re narcissists basically. They want a kid for the same reason someone wants a Bengal tiger or because it provides legitimacy to their social lives. Can’t believe I expected anything more from Americans.
I don’t agree with that assessment at all. I don’t think you understand the depth of pain felt by women and couples who long to raise a baby together. For some women it’s all they dreamed of since they were little girls. There is an incredible amount of pain involved, not narcissism in any way. Hardly unique to Americans either not sure where that came from.

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Old 04-25-2019, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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I think the key is in the phrase, "Adopted from Russia..."

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Old 04-25-2019, 07:19 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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This
No point in speculating (the point was addressed earlier in the thread, anyway). I'm surprised more info hasn't come out in the news about this case. But then again, since the perpetrator was a child, confidentiality has to be maintained, so...we're out of luck, I guess. No follow-up.
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Old 04-25-2019, 08:00 PM
 
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Not anything new in this article either.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/all-sh...by-11-year-old
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Old 04-25-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Not anything new in this article either.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/all-sh...by-11-year-old
There's a little bit of detail in this article we didn't have before: 4 guns and what type they were, and the fact that the couple had filed for bankruptcy in 2011. And that they'd adopted the boys when they were very young. So most of the kids' education and character formation came after the adoption. But who knows what their living conditions and care were like, in their first 2-3 years.
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Old 04-25-2019, 08:55 PM
 
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I think the key is in the phrase, "Adopted from Russia..."
I did not read where the kid was born was a factor in this crime.
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Old 04-25-2019, 10:02 PM
 
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I did not read where the kid was born was a factor in this crime.
There was a spate of issues several years back, where kids adopted from Russian orphanages had significant psychological issues, with violent tendencies etc, and no interventions the parents tried helped. It was thought that the kids were not held or bonded with as infants and babies and it created emotional disturbances even when later adopted by loving families.

It culminated with the case of a woman who at her wits end and afraid of her own child, put him on a plane back to Russia, which led to the end of Russian babies being allowed to be adopted by Americans.
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