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Old 03-24-2019, 01:20 PM
 
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It's not just about whether it's strange, it is illegal to have endangered animals as pets.
Not in Russia it isn't.


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Old 03-24-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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It's not just about whether it's strange, it is illegal to have endangered animals as pets.

Not in Russia, apparently.
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Old 03-24-2019, 11:25 PM
 
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The orangutan is categorized internationally as an endangered species. Trade, possession, transport, buying or selling the animals as well as any products made from them is prohibited by CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered and Threatened Species) without very specific permits for species recovery programs. The Russian federation (as was the USSR) has been a signatory of CITES...meaning they uphold and enforce the treaty, at least officially. That doesn't mean some entitled idiot with enough money won't try to obtain one.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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How exactly does one smuggle a two-year old orangutan onto an airplane? Wrap a bonnet around his head and tell the flight attendants it's a hairy child? Who would call him on that without fear of being sued?

It's nice to know that Russia has it's share of lunatics.
Lunacy is helped by the common tonic of Vodka in Russia. It's nice to know Russians can find vodka in Singapore.
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Old 03-25-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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The orangutan is categorized internationally as an endangered species. Trade, possession, transport, buying or selling the animals as well as any products made from them is prohibited by CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered and Threatened Species) without very specific permits for species recovery programs. The Russian federation (as was the USSR) has been a signatory of CITES...meaning they uphold and enforce the treaty, at least officially. That doesn't mean some entitled idiot with enough money won't try to obtain one.
There are numerous businesses in Russia that raise and sell orangutans. They're the It pet du jour for Russian entitled idiots.

CITES notwithstanding, Russia itself appears to have no laws against the sales of these animals provided they didn't enter the country from somewhere else. I thought CITES was specific to international trade.
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:27 PM
 
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There are numerous businesses in Russia that raise and sell orangutans. They're the It pet du jour for Russian entitled idiots.

CITES notwithstanding, Russia itself appears to have no laws against the sales of these animals provided they didn't enter the country from somewhere else. I thought CITES was specific to international trade.
Yes, it primarily focuses on international trade; a sort of "umbrella" protection, but many of the signatory nations also have domestic laws that uphold (sort of "mirror") the same prohibitions. An example would be the USA's Lacey Act that regulates/prohibits interstate transport of species taken in violation of other international or national law such as CITES. Some might only restrict trade depending on which Appendix of CITES a species happens to be listed in...only protecting species on Appendix I or II for example.

There are also taxon-specific protective laws that one or more nations agree to uphold...examples include the Marine Mammal Protection Act, Migratory Bird Treaty Act, Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, Wild Bird Conservation Act, etc. No idea about Russia. As you suggested, if there was a domestic population imported prior to the CITES listing and you can prove an individual animal's origin, they could be legal to buy, sell, and possess.

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Old 03-28-2019, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Russia
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https://inews.co.uk/news/world/smugg...utan-bali-pet/


A Russian who tried to smuggle a two-year-old orangutan onto a plane so he could bring him home as a pet has been arrested in Bali.
As we say "If a man the idiot - this is on all times".
Serves him right
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Russia
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No idea about Russia.
We also have many laws to guard of a rare animal species. It's so called "Red books", international, national and regional and other laws.
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Old 03-29-2019, 07:09 PM
 
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Sadly, those who work in rescue of primates get to see the consequences of this.

https://www.orangutan.org.uk/blog/20...s-are-not-pets
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Old Yesterday, 01:44 AM
 
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How did he even get it to Bali? He must have already successfully smuggled it once on a plane or ferry.
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