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Old 04-09-2019, 07:29 AM
 
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https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...accinated-muhc
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The employee at the McGill University Health Centre who contracted the measles — and who might have inadvertently exposed dozens of patients to the highly contagious virus for several days at the end of March — had received the standard two shots years earlier, an MUHC infectious-diseases specialist said Monday.
We will always have measles outbreaks even with 100% measles vaccine compliance.

 
Old 04-09-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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We will always have measles outbreaks even with 100% measles vaccine compliance.
And people wearing seatbelts still die in car wrecks. Just because a safety precaution isn’t 100% effective doesn’t mean one should decline to use it.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...ation-coverage

From the linked WHO article:

Because of gaps in vaccination coverage, measles outbreaks occurred in all regions, while there were an estimated 110 000 deaths related to the disease.

Using updated disease modelling data, the report provides the most comprehensive estimates of measles trends over the last 17 years. It shows that since 2000, over 21 million lives have been saved through measles immunizations. However, reported cases increased by more than 30 percent worldwide from 2016.

The Americas, the Eastern Mediterranean Region, and Europe experienced the greatest upsurges in cases in 2017, with the Western Pacific the only World Health Organization (WHO) region where measles incidence fell.

“The resurgence of measles is of serious concern, with extended outbreaks occurring across regions, and particularly in countries that had achieved, or were close to achieving measles elimination,” said Dr Soumya Swaminathan, Deputy Director General for Programmes at WHO. “Without urgent efforts to increase vaccination coverage and identify populations with unacceptable levels of under-, or unimmunized children, we risk losing decades of progress in protecting children and communities against this devastating, but entirely preventable disease.”

Measles is a serious and highly contagious disease. It can cause debilitating or fatal complications, including encephalitis (an infection that leads to swelling of the brain), severe diarrhoea and dehydration, pneumonia, ear infections and permanent vision loss. Babies and young children with malnutrition and weak immune systems are particularly vulnerable to complications and death.

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Old 04-09-2019, 07:47 AM
 
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People who demand that others comply with forced vaccinations should understand the reality which is, we will always have measles outbreaks. Stop pointing fingers at people who have made choices different from their own and stop being so hateful. Uphold informed consent. Accept reality.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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People who demand that others comply with forced vaccinations should understand the reality which is, we will always have measles outbreaks. Stop pointing fingers at people who have made choices different from their own and stop being so hateful. Uphold informed consent. Accept reality.
No one is going to force you to vaccinate. How many times do people need to tell you this?

But, if there are consequences to that choice they are yours to bear. You want to decide for yourself not to vaccinate. Great! Have at it. But you also expect to have access to places (daycare, public schools) that require vaccinations. Nope. You have no right to participate if you exercise your choice not to vaccinate.

Yes, we will always have outbreaks. But it’s no coincidence that measles cases/outbreaks have increased as vaccination rates fall. That’s the reality.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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No one is going to force you to vaccinate. How many times do people need to tell you this?

But, if there are consequences to that choice they are yours to bear. You want to decide for yourself not to vaccinate. Great! Have at it. But you also expect to have access to places (daycare, public schools) that require vaccinations. Nope. You have no right to participate if you exercise your choice not to vaccinate.

Yes, we will always have outbreaks. But it’s no coincidence that measles cases/outbreaks have increased as vaccination rates fall. That’s the reality.
They are trying to take away exemptions in a number of states, including the erosion of medical exemptions. Eventually one will have to decide between vaccinating for everything the government says one must vaccinate for and going to college. How can you claim that there’s real choice in that?

The consequences of not vaccinating are that you are at a higher risk of getting the illnesses that the vaccine is for and subsequently, a higher risk of any complications, including death. Those are the consequences. There’s no valid reason to take away a child’s right to an education. There are already rules in place that would exclude unvaccinated children from school during outbreaks.

We will ALWAYS have outbreaks. Vaccination rates are pretty darn high even with exemptions. I think the people pushing to take exemptions away are not thinking clearly or thinking this through and have no idea what true informed consent and choice mean.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:33 AM
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@MissTerri- No one, that is NO ONE, is attempting to take away medical exemptions. It is a bold-faced lie to say so.

A scam business in fake medical exemptions has sprung up in California; that is what's being looked at.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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They are trying to take away exemptions in a number of states, including the erosion of medical exemptions. Eventually one will have to decide between vaccinating for everything the government says one must vaccinate for and going to college. How can you claim that there’s real choice in that?
Of course it’s a choice. Vaccination or brick and mortar college. Just like driving is a choice. No drivers license, no driving. Living in a society carries all sorts of requirements for participation in specific activities. Vaccinations are no different. If you forgo vaccines and can’t go to a physical college, there are lots of online options.

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The consequences of not vaccinating are that you are at a higher risk of getting the illnesses that the vaccine is for and subsequently, a higher risk of any complications, including death. Those are the consequences. There’s no valid reason to take away a child’s right to an education. There are already rules in place that would exclude unvaccinated children from school during outbreaks.
The other consequence is you can be infectious prior to symptoms appearing and pass the disease on to vulnerable people who for medical reasons can’t be vaccinated. They will bear the consequences of your actions as well including dying of a VPD. That’s not ok. And again, home schooling or online public schools are options for the unvaccinated.

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We will ALWAYS have outbreaks. Vaccination rates are pretty darn high even with exemptions. I think the people pushing to take exemptions away are not thinking clearly or thinking this through and have no idea what true informed consent and choice mean.
Vaccination rates are falling. Measles cases/outbreaks are rising. Do we really have to discuss that death rates will also rise? I’m thinking perfectly clearly. Protecting the most vulnerable among us is more important than someone choosing to not vaccinate just because.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:36 AM
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https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...accinated-muhc


We will always have measles outbreaks even with 100% measles vaccine compliance.
In 56 years of use, there is only one known case of a twice-vaccinated person transmitting measles.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/58/9/1205/2895266
 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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@MissTerri- No one, that is NO ONE, is attempting to take away medical exemptions. It is a bold-faced lie to say so.

A scam business in fake medical exemptions has sprung up in California; that is what's being looked at.
Stop lying. California is just one example of a state where the government is trying to limit the medical conditions of which a person can get a medical exemption for. They are interfering with the doctor patient relationship. This is not all about “scam businesses”.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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In 56 years of use, there is only one known case of a twice-vaccinated person transmitting measles.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/58/9/1205/2895266
Not true. You’re ignoring what happened in Quebec in 2011.
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