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Old Yesterday, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Much of Germany was destroyed and rebuilt, especially during and after WW2 (but in other wars as well). In fact, I lived in Aschaffenburg which is near Frankfurt and it saw some really catastrophic fighting during WW2 and much of it was damaged or destroyed including the famous castle - Schloss Johannesburg. It was rebuilt using as much original material as possible and you can't even tell which parts were damaged and rebuilt and which parts are original.

Notre Dame can and will be rebuilt. The one problem I heard on the news today though was that there are no longer any trees producing timbers as large as the ones originally used, so they will have to use more contemporary means. I am sure it will look gorgeous when it's done but can you believe those timbers lasted over 800 years??????

I was glad to hear that the spire was a fairly recent addition ( rebuilt in the 1800s) and it was a more contemporary design at the time. I just hope that they don't get some crazy ass idea into their heads to put some ultra contemporary spire up or make some 21st century political statement with it. Ugh.
Read a tongue-in-cheek post today that suggested an escalator in the bell tower and a Starbucks should be added as a part of the rebuilding. Lol
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Old Yesterday, 04:09 PM
 
Location: 912 feet above sea level
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Everybody likes to make fun of Texas and the USA too, so folks should take the French-bashing with a grain of salt. Itís just humor, probably inherited from our Brit friends.

Caveat: Yours truly is 50% German, 25% English, 25% French, so I get to make fun of everybody.
Hey, France just experienced a national tragedy, let's make snide comments!



(then when we're called in it, we'll say "can't ya take a joke???")

That's called passive-aggressiveness. It's not a good look. But, hey, I'm sure you'd see the tremendous humor in snide anti-American jokes if the Statue of Liberty was destroyed in some calamity... right?
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Old Yesterday, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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He's not "in a huff". He's correcting your ignorance.
I know, I am ignorant, cuz I'm thinking you are a great person, too!!!!

Gee, Current Events is as rough a place as the Christianity section
(and that's hard to beat!!!)...who knew!
I 'called no one out', btw...'calling someone out' is a much bigger
deal than wishing something was a diff way
and caring about the needy..someone has a hair trigger.

Ha, I donate plenty...as if I have to defend myself...lol!!!

Have fun guys getting on my case for really no reason other
than to just pick on someone.
Ba-bye.

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Old Yesterday, 04:45 PM
 
Location: South Australia
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Have you ever heard of Dresden? (hint...Germany). Rebuilding canít restore what was lost.
Indeed. Have you heard of Coventry? Or York? (a hint;England) I've been to both.. They did a terrific job of rebuilding. Have never been to Dresden, but seeing how Germany recovered after WW2, I suspect the rebuilding is pretty good.

OF COURSE nothing lost can be truly replaced, but devastated cities and buildings can be rebuilt, often from original plans.

I suspect there are original plans of Notre Dame De Paris. Plus of course thousands of videos of every aspect of that a building. I'm willing to bet even the famous Rose Windows can be replicated.

I also think the staggering cost will be helped by large donations and offers of skill from all over the world.

I find it a bit skewed that the world will care more about a building than say a disaster in which a few thousand people died.
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Old Yesterday, 04:49 PM
 
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Default Rebuilding Notre Dame will be long, fraught and expensive

''Fortunately, Notre Dame is a thoroughly documented building. Over the years, historians and archeologists have made exhaustive plans and images, including minutely detailed, 3-D laser-scanned re-creations of the interior.''

''The cathedral's exquisite stained-glass rose windows appear intact but are probably suffering "thermal shock" from intense heat followed by cold water, said Jenny Alexander, an expert on medieval art and architecture at the University of Warwick. That means the glass, set in lead, could have sagged or been weakened and will need minute examination.''

https://phys.org/news/2019-04-rebuil...expensive.html
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Old Yesterday, 04:53 PM
 
Location: South Australia
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Hey, France just experienced a national tragedy, let's make snide comments!



(then when we're called in it, we'll say "can't ya take a joke???")

That's called passive-aggressiveness. It's not a good look. But, hey, I'm sure you'd see the tremendous humor in snide anti-American jokes if the Statue of Liberty was destroyed in some calamity... right?
Absolutely. I remember the jubilation in some Arab countries when the Twin Towers were destroyed.

Here in Oz, I think my reaction (seeing it live on TV) was pretty much the same as for my entire nation; deep shock and horror.

Destruction of the Statue Of Liberty without loss of life is a different matter entirely.I think it would draw snide comments from every corner of the globe, not just from the Arabs.
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Old Yesterday, 05:35 PM
 
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First, I agree with every other poster who stated that this was a terrible loss on so many levels - religious, architectural, historical, social, national, etc..

But that's where my sympathy ends, and anger takes over: You "own" an 800 year old treasure like this, and you don't protect it from fire, especially during restoration? How much would it have cost to retrofit the attic space (and even the outer roof) with a sprinkler system? With all of that scaffold in place, a couple of charged hoses were not available for use by the construction crew? We used to mandate in "my" building that any roof repair crews had at least one extinguisher with them any time hot work was done on our built-up roof. So now the lack of spending thousands beforehand, will cost several hundred million dollars to fix. What's the French word for "idiot"? I would advise the French citizenry to check whether the Louvre and other treasures are adequately protected.

If someone cites cost as a reason not to have protected Notre Dame, I read that over 30,000 people per day visited this cathedral. Admission is charged only to climb the towers, but if some very small amount were charged to cross onto the island (say, a buck a head), the building could have been protected, and any deterioration could have been repaired years ago, many times over. This is a failure of the government, pure and simple, in not protecting a national treasure.
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Old Yesterday, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Whereever we have our RV parked
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It was news to me that the govt owns Notre Dame. I'm sure all the overtaxed French citizens will be happy to have their pockets picked for the cost of rebuilding the thing.
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Old Yesterday, 06:17 PM
 
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It was news to me that the govt owns Notre Dame. I'm sure all the overtaxed French citizens will be happy to have their pockets picked for the cost of rebuilding the thing.

It's their country, their landmark and history, even with high taxes it's not really anyone's business but the French to tell them what to do with their people's money.
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Old Yesterday, 06:30 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Most people turn grey as they age. The wife just keeps on getting blonder.


As we learned of this tragedy on the evening news, she says " Gosh, my uncle Dudley is going to be disappointed....Oh, wait. No, he went to Purdue."
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