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Old 04-22-2019, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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How in the world can 1 place cost billions to fix?

A bit insane.
I have no idea. The fire didnít even destroy the whole building either.

More than $1 billion to fix a building, itís just madness.
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Old 04-22-2019, 11:59 AM
 
Location: SW US
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I mentioned that, but I don't know how things work in France. But you'd think they'd be insured.

They haven't figured out the cause of the fire, yet. Some are saying it could have been an electrical short-out from an cable in a temporary elevator the workers had set up. One headline said something about a computer glitch causing the fire, which sounds very odd, but details weren't given. They're investigating.

What I read is that the fire warning system might have had a glitch that directed the first firefighters to the wrong location.
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I have no idea. The fire didnít even destroy the whole building either.

More than $1 billion to fix a building, itís just madness.
I was trying to wrap my head around this. They are saying it will cost at least $2.3B. The One World Trade Center Building, which has 94 stories and is 1,776 ft high, cost ~$3.5B I believe.
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Old 04-22-2019, 01:21 PM
 
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I was trying to wrap my head around this. They are saying it will cost at least $2.3B. The One World Trade Center Building, which has 94 stories and is 1,776 ft high, cost ~$3.5B I believe.
Has nothing to do with height, but rather various factors such as type of construction, age of building, etc....


Do you have any idea how difficult and or what goes into repairing much less restoring a century old building? For a start just assembling the talent will be difficult and costly. This ain't the Middle Ages or even 1800's. Finding master stone cutters, woodsmen and other certain skilled craft/guild tradesmen is going to be difficult, and yes expensive.


Case in point; as previously mentioned Germany is *still* rebuilding Cologne cathedral that was damaged by bombing in WWII, this nearly > 70 years ago now.
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Old 04-22-2019, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Has nothing to do with height, but rather various factors such as type of construction, age of building, etc....


Do you have any idea how difficult and or what goes into repairing much less restoring a century old building? For a start just assembling the talent will be difficult and costly. This ain't the Middle Ages or even 1800's. Finding master stone cutters, woodsmen and other certain skilled craft/guild tradesmen is going to be difficult, and yes expensive.


Case in point; as previously mentioned Germany is *still* rebuilding Cologne cathedral that was damaged by bombing in WWII, this nearly > 70 years ago now.
Yeah and I'm sure the talent to build the 1 WTC was just some schmoes.
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Old 04-22-2019, 02:05 PM
 
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Yeah and I'm sure the talent to build the 1 WTC was just some schmoes.
Drop it pal; I live in New York City, Manhattan to be exact and have forgotten more about construction here they you'll ever know.


Yes, the trades were well represented on rebuilding of WTC site, but as with many other projects here then and since plenty of non-union labor was there as well. Given what is going on in this city likely a portion of that was sub-contracted out to those who hire illegal aliens as well.
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:16 PM
 
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Update from Euronews:


"The roofing specialist company in charge of the renovation work at Notre Dame Cathedral has confirmed to Euronews that some of their workers smoked on the construction site despite the ban.

The Bras FrŤres company, which specialises in roof restoration for heritage sites, was working on placing scaffolding around the cathedral's spire when the fire occurred.

A spokesman for the company told Euronews that they were aware that some workers smoked on the roof because it was complicated to go all the way down for a cigarette break.

But the company is excluding that their smoking workers were at the origin of the fire for several reasons.

"The fire started inside and workers left an hour before the fire. And I don't know if you've ever lighted a fire but when you put a cigarette butt on a wooden log it doesn't immediately start a fire," the spokesman said.

"For all these reasons, we exclude a causality relation between our workers and the fire."

Last week, officials said investigators were looking at the possibility that the fire originated amid construction work on the roof of the medieval cathedral."

- Euronews
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:54 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Update from Euronews:


"The roofing specialist company in charge of the renovation work at Notre Dame Cathedral has confirmed to Euronews that some of their workers smoked on the construction site despite the ban.

The Bras FrŤres company, which specialises in roof restoration for heritage sites, was working on placing scaffolding around the cathedral's spire when the fire occurred.

A spokesman for the company told Euronews that they were aware that some workers smoked on the roof because it was complicated to go all the way down for a cigarette break.

But the company is excluding that their smoking workers were at the origin of the fire for several reasons.

"The fire started inside and workers left an hour before the fire. And I don't know if you've ever lighted a fire but when you put a cigarette butt on a wooden log it doesn't immediately start a fire," the spokesman said.

"For all these reasons, we exclude a causality relation between our workers and the fire."

Last week, officials said investigators were looking at the possibility that the fire originated amid construction work on the roof of the medieval cathedral."

- Euronews



"Yeah, we broke the rules, but that had nothing to do with it, anyway."
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:43 PM
 
Location: SW US
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"Yeah, we broke the rules, but that had nothing to do with it, anyway."

And I have to wonder about their comment "The fire started inside and workers left an hour before the fire. And I don't know if you've ever lighted a fire but when you put a cigarette butt on a wooden log it doesn't immediately start a fire," the spokesman said."


Maybe it would sit there and smoulder a while before it starts a fire? Like maybe an hour??
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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And I have to wonder about their comment "The fire started inside and workers left an hour before the fire. And I don't know if you've ever lighted a fire but when you put a cigarette butt on a wooden log it doesn't immediately start a fire," the spokesman said."


Maybe it would sit there and smoulder a while before it starts a fire? Like maybe an hour??
But the company is excluding that possibility, so there is no need to investigate it.
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