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Old Yesterday, 10:13 AM
 
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My late husband was from Greece (came to America, became a legal citizen, it took 6 years at that time) and on the weekends when I was doing laundry and cleaning house he would take my son out and about to visit with his family and friends.

He once called me to say that all was well and they were doing fine (yes, he changed diapers, fed him, etc., while they were out) I asked him where they were and he said that they were at O'Hare International airport and ready to board a flight to Greece. I became hysterical and began sobbing...just then he came through the door and he realized it wasn't as funny as he thought it would be. It wasn't in the least bit funny, I could have killed him.
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Old Yesterday, 10:26 AM
 
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Yes, I can and do feel sorry for her, ignorance and all. This stuff gives me chills. I am so thankful to be born in America. Never in a million years would I visit or move to Saudi Arabia. I certainly wouldn't birth or drag a child over there.

She moved there to teach in a university, but apparently wasn't smart enough to comprehend the danger? How smart can she be?

You would think that Saudi Arabia would meet with her beforehand to make sure she wouldn't teach her "western ways" in their university.

Not Without My Daughter was a great movie and teaching tool, if you ask me.

There are 35,000 Americans living and working in Saudi Arabia, I don't think they meet with everyone first. I don't think they're all dumb, either. I would never go either, but then again I wouldn't move to any other country (except possibly Canada or Australia) but not gonna judge those who do.
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Old Yesterday, 11:52 AM
 
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IMHO, being "too Western" and "too new to Islam" aren't necessarily the same thing.
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Old Yesterday, 11:54 AM
 
Location: North State (California)
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A very sad tale. But not a new one.
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Old Yesterday, 02:01 PM
 
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Maybe we should stop being so xenophobic in regards to people from the Middle East and then acting shocked when they do the same to our people.
Another way to look at this would be that perhaps what you call xenophobic is a reasonable concern about people from parts of the world that view gays as something to eradicate and women as property.

Also, they aren't being xenophobic, they're just applying their own laws with regards to how women should behave and retain custody.
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Old Yesterday, 03:53 PM
 
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Another way to look at this would be that perhaps what you call xenophobic is a reasonable concern about people from parts of the world that view gays as something to eradicate and women as property.

Also, they aren't being xenophobic, they're just applying their own laws with regards to how women should behave and retain custody.

Not to mention murdering journalists. Oh, and producing 19 of the 21 9/11 attackers.
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Old Yesterday, 04:20 PM
 
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There are 35,000 Americans living and working in Saudi Arabia, I don't think they meet with everyone first. I don't think they're all dumb, either. I would never go either, but then again I wouldn't move to any other country (except possibly Canada or Australia) but not gonna judge those who do.
Those 35,000 are mostly construction and oil workers, not teachers.
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Old Yesterday, 04:36 PM
 
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Thx for reminding me of the story, ocnjgirl, the man's (father's) name was David Goldman from Tinton Falls NJ, the boy was Sean - thankfully the courts got it right and after 5 long years, he was able to reunite w/ his son, much to his former in-law's dismay (in the meantime, the boy's mother died during childbirth, I cant remember if he lived w/ the stepfather or his maternal grandparents in Brazil). I think the boy was about 9 and he had limited supervised visitation w/ the father (I think one time he went there and the courts ruled against him, he wasnt able to see him at all during that trip there). My heart went out to the father and am so glad there was a happy ending (I think the maternal grandparents were allowed limited supervised visitation in his country only but they didnt take advantage of that and fought the ruling for a while, I think both have since passed on).

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That was the most exciting and suspenseful movie! Itís not just Middle Eastern countries at this happens in either. There was a man who lost custody of his son because his wife went back to her country and remarried. The courts even took away his visitation. Even after the childís mother died in childbirth, the courts gave the stepfamily custody of the child that biologically wasnít even related to him. . I canít remember what country it was, possibly Brazil, but it was a western country. He finally got the child back at the age of 11 or 12 or so, I was all over the news and tv shows at the time.

That man didnít even go live in that country. She took the child there to supposedly to visit her parents and then never came back. That happens quite frequently, one of the parents take the child to their home country and then the parent at home cannot get them back.
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Old Yesterday, 05:09 PM
 
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Not Without My Daughter: Years ago I met the woman in the park mentioned in that book at a grocery store. We briefly discussed Betty's situation. During those years many Iranian men attended the local university.

The daughter has written a book presenting her point of view, she declined to visit her father or his family even as an adult. The father, Dr. Mahmoody, has since passed away.
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Old Yesterday, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Thx for reminding me of the story, ocnjgirl, the man's (father's) name was David Goldman from Tinton Falls NJ, the boy was Sean - thankfully the courts got it right and after 5 long years, he was able to reunite w/ his son, much to his former in-law's dismay (in the meantime, the boy's mother died during childbirth, I cant remember if he lived w/ the stepfather or his maternal grandparents in Brazil). I think the boy was about 9 and he had limited supervised visitation w/ the father (I think one time he went there and the courts ruled against him, he wasnt able to see him at all during that trip there). My heart went out to the father and am so glad there was a happy ending (I think the maternal grandparents were allowed limited supervised visitation in his country only but they didnt take advantage of that and fought the ruling for a while, I think both have since passed on).
Now I remember this! Thanks for the memory jog. I live one town over from Tinton Falls, and it was covered locally.

(Your screen name makes me want an apple, lol.)
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