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Old 08-26-2019, 05:49 AM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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Not following the logic that having a 'motive' and snapping are mutually exclusive.
For the sake of argument let's go with the scenario the kids plan to institutionalize mom, although murder as a response to such a threat doesn't sound like the definition of sanity to me to begin with. But let's just say mom has found out and is angry, very angry, to the point she wants to punish the kids. Maybe she even has fleeting thoughts of actually killing them but realizes those are crazy thoughts. She invites them both for a meal and the subject comes up and the kids are unyielding, the argument gets heated, mom panics and 'snaps' and goes for her gun in order to keep her kids from doing this awful thing, then turns the gun on herself when she realizes what she's done. Makes for a good story, no?
Just because someone snaps doesn't mean they don't have a reason for doing what they did, just that whatever the reason is, it suddenly becomes unbearable.

: to give way suddenly under emotional stress or strain
: to undergo a sudden and rapid change (as from one condition to another)
intransitive verb: If someone snaps, or if something snaps inside them, they suddenly stop being calm and become very angry because the situation has become too tense or too difficult for them.
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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In hind sight,
the kids could have certainly asked for a better mother.
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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Not following the logic that having a 'motive' and snapping are mutually exclusive.
For the sake of argument let's go with the scenario the kids plan to institutionalize mom, although murder as a response to such a threat doesn't sound like the definition of sanity to me to begin with. But let's just say mom has found out and is angry, very angry, to the point she wants to punish the kids. Maybe she even has fleeting thoughts of actually killing them but realizes those are crazy thoughts. She invites them both for a meal and the subject comes up and the kids are unyielding, the argument gets heated, mom panics and 'snaps' and goes for her gun in order to keep her kids from doing this awful thing, then turns the gun on herself when she realizes what she's done. Makes for a good story, no?
Just because someone snaps doesn't mean they don't have a reason for doing what they did, just that whatever the reason is, it suddenly becomes unbearable.

: to give way suddenly under emotional stress or strain
: to undergo a sudden and rapid change (as from one condition to another)
intransitive verb: If someone snaps, or if something snaps inside them, they suddenly stop being calm and become very angry because the situation has become too tense or too difficult for them.
People just don't get to "institutionalize" other people. You would have to got through a whole legal process of having someone examined by psychologists, declared incompetent by a judge, and then the process of being named guardian, etc, unless they have a medical POA signed by the individual in question. This whole scenario is just silly. She's a 53 year old doctor, not a doddering 90 year old lady with Alzheimer's. No one has claimed that the woman had any prior basis for commiting her to any institution, although after her crimes she would have been if she hadn't killed herself first.
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:34 AM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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People just don't get to "institutionalize" other people. You would have to got through a whole legal process of having someone examined by psychologists, declared incompetent by a judge, and then the process of being named guardian, etc, unless they have a medical POA signed by the individual in question. This whole scenario is just silly. She's a 53 year old doctor, not a doddering 90 year old lady with Alzheimer's. No one has claimed that the woman had any prior basis for commiting her to any institution, although after her crimes she would have been if she hadn't killed herself first.
Just using for purposes of illustration since someone else came up with the scenario. We could come up with a whole slew of improbable scenarios, but the point would still be that people who snap often have a reason behind it. It's not always something that just comes out of nowhere.
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:54 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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I hope the police are investigating this thoroughly and not dismissing it as a suicide because it just doesn't add up.
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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Just using for purposes of illustration since someone else came up with the scenario. We could come up with a whole slew of improbable scenarios, but the point would still be that people who snap often have a reason behind it. It's not always something that just comes out of nowhere.
But we have no clue at this point of any particular scenario being true. We could also speculate that aliens will take over the planet tomorrow and she wanted to save them from a painful death at the hands of the little green men. Speculating on weird, highly improbable, motives without any hint of evidence, or even knowledge about these people's lives, is just a total waste of time. We will just have to wait to hear if there was anything going on that could've triggered her break.
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Old 08-26-2019, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I hope the police are investigating this thoroughly and not dismissing it as a suicide because it just doesn't add up.
Agree. I think this is the bottom line. There are so few details around this story that it has led to lots of speculation, including from myself. Hopefully there are more details provided to get a better understanding of why this tragedy happened.
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Old 08-26-2019, 08:09 AM
 
Location: East Coast
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Wow, seems most cases of murder-suicide involving children, the children are very young. Doing it to one's adult children seems even stranger.
Exactly. Most of those people who kill their kids kill them in part because they were the caregivers and they don't want them left alone. They've decided they're better off dead than without mom with them. This, though, is something else entirely.

And mom didn't have to be insane to kill them. She can have a rational and logical thought process by which she determined they had to die. It can be immoral, horrible, and evil, but that doesn't make it insane. Some people are just bad people. Some people just do bad things. Just because an act is atrocious and horrifying doesn't make it insane.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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Mentally ill does not = insane.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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Absolutely serious. There is no reasoning or justification on earth that one could come up with to explain this monstrous act when trying to apply that to a person who isn't having either a psychotic break or demonic possession. It's pointless to speculate.
LMFAO this is the smoothest of smooth-brain takes.
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