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Old 08-31-2019, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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How? How do child porn laws criminalize women?

A woman, defined as a person of legal age of consent, is "criminalized" if she is prosecuted as if she were still a child.
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Old 08-31-2019, 08:34 PM
 
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This brings to mind the case of former porn star Traci Lords. The majority of her porn films were made when she was a minor. She wasn’t coerced in any way to use a false ID to make porn films. She knew she was a minor. Once she turned 18 she want to France to independently make her own porn film, release it to the world, and then declare her true age. This meant all copies of her previous films had to be pulled from the shelves in those countries where it was now illegal. This resulted in a loss of royalties to not only the companies that made the films, but also the film crew, actors, and distributors. By today’s standards could she have been indicted for similar charges? Probably not but she did knowingly participate in the production and distributions of child pornography.
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Old 08-31-2019, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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How is this even news? Teens have been prosecuted for sexting many times. It's a felony in 23 states.
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Old 08-31-2019, 11:48 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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As someone who has seen various social change, I'm wondering what you (or anyone in the older generation) think about my theory as it relates to a story like this (below)? I'd love to hear your more of your views, or the views of someone in your generation.

It would seem that generations ago, more younger people still in their teenage years were getting married, raising a family, working on the farm, going into the military, etc., and being independent responsible young adults earlier in life. Teenagers seemed (?) to mature socially faster than they are now, when many who are almost finished with high school struggle to even hold a basic conversation, especially since many modes of communication no longer require that.

Since the previous generations were married at a much younger age, they had an outlet to express physical intimacy with their partner that was socially acceptable when their hormones were in high gear, which hasn't fundamentally changed. But they sure didn't broadcast it. At least that's my theory- does that sound reasonable?

I know of a couple, who are still happily married, in their late 80's now who got married when the man was 18 and the lady was 15, which would be scandalous if not illegal now. I didn't know them when they were young but they are your typical conservative, wholesome church going older couple.

Today though, teenagers are either helicopter parented which socially retards them, or parenting is more absent (especially with lack of a consistent father figure and then a mother who has a constant turnover of boyfriends). But their endocrine system is still releasing the same teenage hormones that teenagers in the 1940's were encountering (if not sooner- thanks to GMOs and other environmental changes- which is a different topic).
I totally agree with you. I'm not as old & wise as the person you asked (I'm a huge fan of him, though) but it sort of seems like this '30 is the new 18' is not very beneficial for society as a whole.
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Old 09-01-2019, 05:20 AM
 
Location: DMV Area/NYC/Honolulu
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If we go with the idea of gender equality, then the 17-year-old boy she was blowing should also be charged, right?
Assuming you can prove who he is, sure. But his face isn't in the video and I gather the video wasn't found on his phone. She could point a finger (I don't know why she'd do that), but I'm sure the video is long off the guy's phone by now, and even then I'm not sure if that would be enough, by itself, to get a search warrant.
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Old 09-01-2019, 06:10 AM
 
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I think a lot of us are missing the fact that she only got a one year probation. Since she's being treated as a minor, I'm guessing this comes off the record when she hits 18. The punishment is pretty light compared to what people usually get in child porn cases. They probably went as light as they could go and still say she had a consequence. The reason it's in the news is because she is fighting it.

The complaint was brought by another minor. My guess is that the "victim" of the crime is the other minor who received the child pornography, not the person participating. If no one reported it, then I'm guessing nothing would have happened. I'm guessing the police department didn't want to be caught dismissing charges of someone distributing child porn.

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Assuming you can prove who he is, sure. But his face isn't in the video and I gather the video wasn't found on his phone. She could point a finger (I don't know why she'd do that), but I'm sure the video is long off the guy's phone by now, and even then I'm not sure if that would be enough, by itself, to get a search warrant.
I'm not sure where the boy was distributing the video and sending it directly to a minor. That's what she's being charged with.

For those who are saying these are silly charges and the courts shouldn't have upheld the decision, you're saying that it's now ok for minors to create pornography and distribute it to whoever they please. I'd say this has pretty big ramifications and would be a rabbit hole I wouldn't want to travel down.

In some states it's ok for kids as young as 13 to have sex as long as the other individual is less than 4 years older than the 13 year old. In Maryland, a 14 year old can have sex with a 17 year old. If this court didn't uphold the decision to give her this one year probation, then it's essentially saying that 13-14 year olds can create pornography and distribute it. Does this not ring any alarm bells?
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Old 09-01-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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I never mentioned videos, etc. but some here act like they were the perfect picture of purity during their teenage years.
I graduated from High School a virgin. Seriously. Of course it was 1972 and if a girl wasn't a virgin, she kept it to herself. That's one of the big differences in today's teenagers.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:34 AM
 
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A woman, defined as a person of legal age of consent, is "criminalized" if she is prosecuted as if she were still a child.
I still don't understand what you're saying.

What adult is being prosecuted as if she were still a minor?
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Old 09-01-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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I'm eighty-one, and the shift in moral behavior that I have seen in my lifetime has been radical. And it has been radical in several time periods over that time span.

It occurs to me that when this girl is the mother of adolescents that porn selfies and videos will be something that more teenagers than not will be doing.
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As someone who has seen various social change, I'm wondering what you (or anyone in the older generation) think about my theory as it relates to a story like this (below)? I'd love to hear your more of your views, or the views of someone in your generation....

Since the previous generations were married at a much younger age, they had an outlet to express physical intimacy with their partner that was socially acceptable when their hormones were in high gear, which hasn't fundamentally changed. But they sure didn't broadcast it. At least that's my theory- does that sound reasonable?.....
(I have chopped out a lot in the quote to try to save some space.)

What do I think? Well, I don't think earlier marriage and independence is the answer/explanation. People in my era married earlier in larger numbers than now, yes, for many reasons which can possibly be lumped together as the conglomeration of the social mores and customs of that time.

But the mores have changed again and again; and the importance of the family has shrunk from the extended family to the nuclear family to the independent individual, plus such things as the influence of advertising and commercialization; the prominence of entertainment celebrities with well publicized self-indulgent lives making grand moral statements on social issues as if they had some special knowledge or authority, an ever-increasing emphasis on everything-is-entertainment...and on and on.

There are just too many changes in too many areas of American society and culture over the last eight decades for me to be able to focus on one or two things as bringing about the changes in sexual mores. One or two changes cause a third and a fourth, and as the years pass the original impetus of #1 and #2 is just a small, and perhaps antique, part of a picture of many new social changes which spawned others up until the present time.

One could make a statement like: The loss of "family values" is the cause of the present-day loose sexual behavior of teenagers. But what "family values" from what era? The attitudes about "family" that my parents and their peers had in the Forties and Fifties were not those of my co-workers in the Eighties who were parents. So, at what point were these important "family values" lost? Were they still vital in the Eighties, or had they already been lost? And why were they lost (at whatever point.)? They just didn't one day fall out of everyone's pocket did they?

So, even believing that there is a single cause does not supply an immediate, clear-cut explanation; and raises dozens of questions and considerations.

Something along the same idea - but from our 2019 point of view just humorous: In a worn photo album of my mothers there were several pages pictures of her sour-faced mother, born in the Victorian Era, dressed in long full skirts and layers of clothing. Even in the one at the beach - the only one of the lot where she had a smile on her face - she was at the water's edge wearing clunky shoes, the usual long full skirt, but had at least discarded the jackets and vests but wearing an elaborate blouse.

A few pages later there is a picture of her daughter, my teenage mother, in the 1920s at a lake, dressed in a bathing suit that was showing her arms and legs to God and everyone, with one leg hoisted up on a log, and rouging her knee. What?! Yup, doing the flapper trash fad of the day, rouging her knees to draw attention to them. Tramp!

Her mother was mercifully deceased by this shameful day, though her father, an Elder in the town Presbyterian Church was alive and well, as was his second wife, the daughter of a Bible Christian preacher.

But there the trollop was rouging away like sixty. Fortunately there were no cellphone videos so the viewer is uninformed as to whether she danced the Black Bottom next. What that small town hussy's offspring did at the beach beggars description. Well, actually not, but as per the Terms of Service it needs be concealed behind the Curtain of Decency.

So, while I have no definitive answer about the whys of it all, I do feel confident enough based on personal family history to predict, as I said, that the daughters of the girl in the news will be doing xxx phone vids more than they will be doing homework.

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Old 09-01-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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In many states the age of consent is 16 but you cannot buy them cigarettes nor take naked pics of them until they are 18. Some states have "Romeo" laws where the age of consent can be 14 if the other is 18 or younger.

In the case in MD she was 16, old enough to consent but not old enough to have naked pics of her taken. Maybe the guy that took the video should be punished?

The tricky part is she distributed it herself and she was a minor. A minor distributing minor porn. As I said, tricky.

Where this could get even trickier.. "Naked pics" are not illegal in and of themselves. In this case, there was clear explicit sexual conduct which eliminates that argument. But, had she just taken a full on nude selfie of herself.. There could be tiptoeing a line between porn and just a "Naked pic"

Then, where is that porn line? What's the famous quote? "I know it when I see it"? What one person sees can be different from another.

I should add.. My opinion is that a child cannot break a child porn law so far as possession or creation when it is of themselves... Distribution.. Yes. But not creation or possession.
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