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Old 09-05-2019, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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It's looking a lot like Lithium batteries were the culprit.

The boat had very recently passed a USCG inspection.
And that may well lead to a significant and simple improvement. You set up a charging station for all gear on the dive deck with a fire proof enclosure and a fire suppression system.

Probably wise whether the cause in this case or not.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:44 PM
 
Location: in my mind
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This story reminded me of a podcast I listened to a while back.....

A podcast called This is Actually Happening featured two episodes about the 2011 shipwreck of a boat of fishermen off the coast of Baja, Mexico. One episode is the first person account by a man who survived, and the other is the first-person account of a woman whose father was lost in the same accident.

You can listen to the episodes on the links below, or in a podcast app - they are episodes #72 and #73

What If You Survived a Shipwreck?

What if Your Father Was Lost in a Shipwreck?
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Old Yesterday, 05:39 AM
 
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I have seen two points made that indicate crew culpability.

One - the safety briefing not detailed. I'm not sure this would have made much difference.

Two - there should have been some one on watch and roaming the vessel. The only account is a crew member was at the helm (upper deck) first saw the fire after the salon was fully engulfed with flames nearly to the the helm. It is suspicious that the fire was not detected untill this late stage. IF the person that was supposed to be on watch was sleeping, that is an issue.
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Old Yesterday, 06:07 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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Two - there should have been some one on watch and roaming the vessel.
It looks as if that's true.

A preliminary investigation into the Conception boat fire has suggested serious safety deficiencies aboard the vessel, including the lack of a “roaming night watchman” who is required to be awake and alert passengers in the event of a fire or other dangers, according to several law enforcement sources familiar with the inquiry.

The probe also has raised questions about whether the crew was adequately trained and whether passengers received a complete safety briefing, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not have approval to comment publicly about the case.

Investigators have so far interviewed surviving crew members and others connected to the worst maritime disaster in recent California history, which killed 34 people.

A U.S. Coast Guard spokesman declined to comment other than to describe the investigation as wide-ranging.

Investigators from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are joining the investigation into the fire, which started in the early morning hours Monday while the ship was anchored off Santa Cruz Island.

Authorities have not suggested the fire and fatalities were the result of any criminal wrongdoing, but prosecutors from the U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles were at the scene on Thursday preparing to assist investigators and keep tabs on the unfolding inquiry.


https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ers-passengers
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Old Yesterday, 08:34 AM
 
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As they say it's business.

Boat owners seek to head off lawsuits after 34 die in fire
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Old Yesterday, 09:35 AM
 
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IF the person that was supposed to be on watch was sleeping, that is an issue.
Huge issue. Anchor watch is serious business.
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Old Yesterday, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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I looked up the owner of the company. His home in Santa Barbara is worth about 3.1 million, according to Zillow. It's not like he's filthy rich or anything. I mean, these payouts could be millions per victim.

This is the insurance company's doing. Still. Looks callous as hell.

Any chance that reasonable steps weren't taken to ensure free and unobstructed fire escapes? Criminal investigation?

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Old Yesterday, 01:01 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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I have seen two points made that indicate crew culpability.

One - the safety briefing not detailed. I'm not sure this would have made much difference.

Two - there should have been some one on watch and roaming the vessel. The only account is a crew member was at the helm (upper deck) first saw the fire after the salon was fully engulfed with flames nearly to the the helm. It is suspicious that the fire was not detected untill this late stage. IF the person that was supposed to be on watch was sleeping, that is an issue.
Of course those should be issues.

Safety briefings are only as good as the listener's compliance. A flight attendant may make their little speech dutifully before every flight, but if a passenger deliberately ignores it who's at fault?

Of course a crew member sleeping while on watch is an issue. No question. Once again who's "fault" does it end up being? The captain selects crew with good reputations, trains, assigns duties, reviews performance, upholds safe practices. If a crew member doesn't do their job as assigned, once again who's fault is that? I'm pretty certain they'll discover more than one factor played into this tragedy; a horrible perfect storm of small actions that might or might not have been predictable or preventable.

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Old Yesterday, 01:12 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Any chance that reasonable steps weren't taken to ensure free and unobstructed fire escapes? Criminal investigation?
That's exactly what is going on now. If they find negligence there should be consequences. Without witness accounts (and being reasonably confident the accounts are truthful), chances are physical evidence won't help them determine whether escape routes were obstructed. Ocean currents on top of huge destructive fire is going to scatter everything.
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Old Yesterday, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I would think there is one big central fact from this disaster. The central salon, the physical center of the boat, caught fire and was fully engulfed in flames before anyone noticed.

The watch stander does not roam the boat. He or she keeps a watch in the wheel house which has both the needed nav equipment to tell if the boat is moving and the vantage point to see what is going on in the vicinity.

The primary line of defense would be smoke or fire detectors. On a boat carrying passengers rigged to a loud alarm system. It appears clear that such a system did not activate allowing the fire to reach fatal proportions before it was noticed.

What kind of systems the boat had and their operational status will be an interesting story.
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