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Old Yesterday, 06:08 PM
 
Location: California
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It’s possible that the crew usually slept on the top deck even if they had a small bunk area below. More room and cooler. From reading about the intensity of the fire and how it kept flaring up I’m thinking too it was some kind of explosion and they weren’t able to get down the stairs to get to anybody. What a horrible way to die.
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Old Today, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Texas from Maryland
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NO! They tried and tried to extinguish it but it just kept reigniting. O2 probably.
The article said they didn't have an extinguisher. So no they didn't try anything.
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Old Today, 05:12 AM
 
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4 am ABC News said they did find 29 bodies. Still holding out hope some could have made it to shore.
They showed the bunks and the stairs.
Also, an injured crew member screaming in pain. It's very clear
from the officials there, the crew should not be blamed for appearing to do nothing.
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Old Today, 05:48 AM
 
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It appears the berthing area is pretty packed. Bunks stacked 2 and 3 high, port, center and starboard. Basically a lot of people packed into a small space. Access to this space was limited. One access is said to have been blocked. I am not sure if this was an escape hatch or precisely what the configuration was. The second access was through the galley which the floor plan of the boat validates. Early reports is the fire started in the galley and spread quickly. So .... one exit blocked and the other full of flames, all the people trapped with no way out.


From there it appears the fire spread quickly to engulf the entire boat above the water line. Photos indicate the boat petty much burned to the water line before it sank in about 60 feet of water.


The crew would typically sleep above deck, especially when passenger berthing was crowded. They would also be up early preparing for the day. Some early accounts indicate the crew attempted to put out the flames and access the passenger berthing but the fire was too intense and spread quickly. Indications were the crew was pretty distraught, for good reason.


There follows a number of questions that will probably result in changes in future boat operations such as this.


Why was one exit blocked? The galley is one of the most likely areas for a fire and the primary (the only in this case) access to the berthing area. There was apparently no or little fire suppression for the galley or in the berthing area. Boats like this are generally constructed fiberglass, glue and wood. All materials than can burn violently once ignited. How exactly did the fire start? What was the fuel source?


These questions and more need to be answered. There will most likely be changes in boat construction and Coast Guard regulations for these types of vessels. The most obvious being access and density of berthing areas. Even with an open "escape hatch" that might be 2 foot square, imagine 40 people trying to get through it in an emergency.
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Old Today, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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....Why was one exit blocked?
The galley is one of the most likely areas for a fire and the primary .....access to the berthing area.
There was apparently no or little fire suppression for the galley or in the berthing area.
Oh no...this is very upsetting information.
It's like a trap!
Could not get more terrible. Speechless.


Oh for pete's sake, now on Good Morning America they say NINE dead....4am they said 29 and found bodies!
I am sorry for the previous post its 7:15am my time now.

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Old Today, 08:46 AM
 
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More detail here. Looks like there was an escape hatch as well as the main exit. But if the fire engulfed both...

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-investigation
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Old Today, 09:50 AM
 
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The most obvious being access and density of berthing areas. Even with an open "escape hatch" that might be 2 foot square, imagine 40 people trying to get through it in an emergency.
These things are always trade-offs, though. Every hatch you add reduces watertight integrity. Less berthing density means fewer passengers means less money for other safety features. Boats are designed within pretty narrow parameters and people are loath to stray from what's proven to work, for good reason.

And to quote an old firefighting instructor of mine, "A fire does not start, a fire is caused". Planning for what should happen when the fire is going is good and well, but planning design and operations to not cause fires is so much better.
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Old Today, 10:02 AM
 
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One correction. According to the LA Times there was O2 on board. The dive boat was offering Nitrox diving which involves O2 filled tanks. No word on how much but the the nearby good Samaritan boat reported repeated small explosions.

There was an escape hatch from the berthing area to the salon. That however was shared with the galley and may have been blocked by an extended galley fire. So the coming issue will likely be that the berthing area should have had emergency access overboard.

This accident is a good bit difference than most. Little question that pretty much all on board could have made it to safety if able to get free of the hull.

It would also be certain that there were multiple fire extinguishers and a fire hose. Such boats generally run a drill on emergency procedures including abandoning ship. The vessel had life jackets and such for over a 100 people.
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Old Today, 11:04 AM
 
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If you look at the article they have a diagram of the sleeping accommodations for guests. They shared a "Bunk room" below decks. Maybe the crew was required to stay on deck; there were no "crew quarters" shown so I don't know for sure. If a massive fire broke out there was no way for the guests to get out quickly. The authorities SHOULD look at what happened but in the end I believe it was a tragic accident.
The one crew member that did not escape was down in the bunk room, probably asleep at 3 a.m.

The boat had two exits from below deck but both were fully engulfed in flames.
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Old Today, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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Never a good look when the entire crew survives and their paying customers are all dead. I'm sure authorities will take a close look at this operator.
Crew quarters on yachts are always in a different place than guest quarters. The crew bunks are usually aft which would make an easy escape while guest usually sleep below and fore.
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