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Old Yesterday, 07:13 PM
 
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A terrible thing. The stories I read said two crew members did go back to see if they could save anyone (one story suggested it was at the urging of the Coast Guard). I imagine by the time they escaped, got to another boat, called up the Coast Guard, talked with them, were encouraged to go back, and got back, it was far too late.

One story said something along the lines of, "They went back to see if they could rescue anyone but didn't find anyone." I can only imagine what they did find and it's horrifying. I also saw a transcript of the Coast Guard end of the radio transmissions; I cannot imagine being the radio operator who took that call, of a boat on fire with more than 30 people "locked" belowdecks (as was thought at the time). And their families, knowing how they must have died. I feel so very terrible for everyone involved.
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Old Yesterday, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Get your story straighter.
Okay, then tell me what I got wrong.
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Old Yesterday, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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A terrible thing. The stories I read said two crew members did go back to see if they could save anyone (one story suggested it was at the urging of the Coast Guard). I imagine by the time they escaped, got to another boat, called up the Coast Guard, talked with them, were encouraged to go back, and got back, it was far too late.

One story said something along the lines of, "They went back to see if they could rescue anyone but didn't find anyone." I can only imagine what they did find and it's horrifying. I also saw a transcript of the Coast Guard end of the radio transmissions; I cannot imagine being the radio operator who took that call, of a boat on fire with more than 30 people "locked" belowdecks (as was thought at the time). And their families, knowing how they must have died. I feel so very terrible for everyone involved.
There does appear to be an interesting and important issue here.

Should there be an escape hatch to the open sea from any berthing area?

It appears clear that there were two escape routes from the berthing area. Both however lead to the salon which apparently included the galley. And once the galley was caught on fire the entire salon soon followed.

So should there have been an emergency exit to the sea or at least clear of the boat?

None of these people would have been in trouble for being in the ocean 20 yards off shore. In fact if there were a person or two in trouble there were likely a half dozen folks who could tow two or three people in.

So maybe the problem is what is required...not what happened.
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Old Yesterday, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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I have not read any details that would lead me to make any determination of liability.

A 75 foot boat is pretty big, and it can well accommodate 39 people, I think i read this one in particular can accommodate 46 or so people.
75 feet is the size of a medium size yacht, which would have a maximum capacity of about 25 people. Though most would carry less people then that. 39 people in a 75 foot boat is crazy.
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Old Yesterday, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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There is so much ignorance in this post I do not know where to start.
Yeah, right. So much that you can't even think of even one point.
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Old Yesterday, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Again, the way boats are set up, crew quarters are in a different place than guest quarters. You cannot access guest from crew. It would have been much easier and quicker escape from crew quarters.
So basically the passengers were stuck down in the cargo hold, with no way to escape.
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Old Yesterday, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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75 feet is the size of a medium size yacht, which would have a maximum capacity of about 25 people. Though most would carry less people then that. 39 people in a 75 foot boat is crazy.
No. It is reasonably standard. These are working boats not cruisers.

It is also irrelevant. Would you really feel better if only 20 people died?

The question is whether there were adequate escape paths...not the number of people.
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Old Yesterday, 07:35 PM
 
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I guess I now know how to make money fast. Buy a little boat. Pack it with as many bunk beds as will fit, and start charging top dollar for scuba tours. Then just rake in the millions.
You may want to type the words "inspected passenger vessel requirements" into a search engine of your choice. When you're done, look into "USCG master's license requirements".

The fact that they had to go to another vessel to get out a mayday is indication of a huge problem that happened very fast.
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Old Yesterday, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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There does appear to be an interesting and important issue here.

Should there be an escape hatch to the open sea from any berthing area?

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No. It is a boat. You want as little openings as possible. There is always some idiot who may leave a porthole open while underway which would sink the boat.

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So basically the passengers were stuck down in the cargo hold, with no way to escape.
Yes, exactly but it isn't the cargo hold. It is the main living quarters.

Crew is housed behind the engines. It is much noisier. Their hatch is usually above the dive platform.
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Old Yesterday, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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A terrible thing. The stories I read said two crew members did go back to see if they could save anyone (one story suggested it was at the urging of the Coast Guard). I imagine by the time they escaped, got to another boat, called up the Coast Guard, talked with them, were encouraged to go back, and got back, it was far too late.

One story said something along the lines of, "They went back to see if they could rescue anyone but didn't find anyone." I can only imagine what they did find and it's horrifying. I also saw a transcript of the Coast Guard end of the radio transmissions; I cannot imagine being the radio operator who took that call, of a boat on fire with more than 30 people "locked" belowdecks (as was thought at the time). And their families, knowing how they must have died. I feel so very terrible for everyone involved.
It reminds me of when the Italian Coast Guard ordered Captain Francesco Schettino to get back on his ship. At least these guys didn't refuse. I hope every one of these crew members is charged with manslaughter.
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