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Old Today, 10:20 AM
 
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At least a dormitory like that first video, has to have multiple exits. Apparently that is not the case for charter boats.
You've been told the opposite several times now.
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Old Today, 10:23 AM
 
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They should all have gotten fire extinguishers...
From that big crate of fire extinguishers your imagination placed - where?

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and gone below deck to rescue the passengers
If the fire is so aggressive that passengers can't get out, the crew can't get in, either.

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If they died doing that, then so be it. That was their job.
Nope. The obligation to provide the best possible safety for your passengers is not a suicide pact.
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Old Today, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Professional firefighters back off when a building is too far gone to safely enter, even if there are people trapped inside. Your expectations are beyond unrealistic!
Source?
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Old Today, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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You've been told the opposite several times now.
No I have not.
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Old Today, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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From that big crate of fire extinguishers your imagination placed - where?

If the fire is so aggressive that passengers can't get out, the crew can't get in, either.

Nope. The obligation to provide the best possible safety for your passengers is not a suicide pact.
The reports are that this was a well equipped ship with firefighting equipment. Why was it not used? You are just making excuses for incompetence and cowardice.
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Old Today, 10:33 AM
 
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No I have not.
You kinda have, but to make the point unmistakable, here's a photo from the sister ship:

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Old Today, 10:34 AM
 
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What is it with this pathological "Someone must be punished!" BS?
The poster is always like this on about every topic.
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Old Today, 10:49 AM
 
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The reports are that this was a well equipped ship with firefighting equipment. Why was it not used?
You see what you want to see.

Normal complement is a fixed system in the engine space, firehose(s) on deck, and a handheld extinguisher in each space. Fire hoses aren't trivial - you need to get a pump started, and you need access to the valve tree. (Most boats use the same pump for bilge pumping, firehoses etc.) If the superstructure is engulfed in flames, most fire extinguishers are inaccessible. If you're facing a fire large enough to render both exits unusable, a fire extinguisher is a quixotic idea. And you can bet that every single firefighting instructor in the world stresses that you're not improving anything by becoming an additional casualty.

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You are just making excuses for incompetence and cowardice.
I'm injecting some real-life perspective. Sorry if that can't accommodate your needs.
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Old Today, 10:53 AM
 
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I don't blame the captain and crew for saving themselves. They probably tried to do whatever they could then realized they were about to die, and bailed out. Not a good scenario at all.
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Old Today, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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You kinda have, but to make the point unmistakable, here's a photo from the sister ship:

What is that telling me, and what does it have to do with the boat that burned? Yes, we know the boat had emergency exits. So why didn't the crew evacuate the passengers that way?
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