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Old 09-12-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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This is becoming a game of verbal volleyball.

No one knows when she passed out, and I don't think a single person here stated they believed he had 1. carried her there unconscious or 2. happened upon her while she was unconscious and began fingering her.

Or at least, no one answered when I asked that before.

Your turn.
It's like they don't know the difference between defending a rapist and saying an assault may not have happened.

I'm still seeing people on social media maintain that Turner was a spoiled rich kid. That one little lie helped get Judge Persky recalled. I shudder to think how many people will be falsely convicted so judges don't lose their jobs.
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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I do not understand the vitriol aimed at the female victim. The rape was initially reported by two swedish men on bikes so if you posters are upset about what you deem as unfair accusations, why not start with these two men? Why aim all the vitriol at this young woman for "ruining Brock's life." Do you think she could have stopped him in her unconscious state from doing what he did, or possibly you believe she should have pled with the judge and jury to spare him? Did you know that criminal cases are brought by the state, not the victim?
I've addressed those two men and the accuser. They saw mere seconds of an entire night. She said she couldn't remember what happened but decided "he was guilty the moment I woke up".

Her VIS makes a really good case for not convicting, but few people take the time to really examine it. And the truth is no one could prove he did those things in his right mind, with malice aforethought AND with the knowledge she was unconscious or whether or not she was unconscious or fell asleep. But none of that is convenient to hysterical armchair advocates with an ax to grind.
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Old 09-12-2019, 09:13 AM
 
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Great post!!! I was a sexual assault victim at age 9. Not once did I even consider writing a book about my assault. Even if I did, I doubt the world would have much sympathy for a male victim. But then things were different in 1973 as opposed to now. Professional victimhood wasn't the vocational choice it is now, and victims of such trauma were more interested in justice and healing, as opposed to fame and $$$

Strange times indeed. That said, I wish her well
Truth. I don't even have a problem with writing a book about it if you could remember it happening vs buying the narrative being fed to you.
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Old 09-12-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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I've addressed those two men and the accuser. They saw mere seconds of an entire night. She said she couldn't remember what happened but decided "he was guilty the moment I woke up".

Her VIS makes a really good case for not convicting, but few people take the time to really examine it. And the truth is no one could prove he did those things in his right mind, with malice aforethought AND with the knowledge she was unconscious or whether or not she was unconscious or fell asleep. But none of that is convenient to hysterical armchair advocates with an ax to grind.
Did he just accidentally pull her clothing off and start putting his fingers in her privates? He couldn't have been that impaired. That seems to be a deliberate act. If other people noticed she was unconscious, why didn't he?
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:27 AM
 
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I've addressed those two men and the accuser. They saw mere seconds of an entire night. She said she couldn't remember what happened but decided "he was guilty the moment I woke up".

Her VIS makes a really good case for not convicting, but few people take the time to really examine it. And the truth is no one could prove he did those things in his right mind, with malice aforethought AND with the knowledge she was unconscious or whether or not she was unconscious or fell asleep. But none of that is convenient to hysterical armchair advocates with an ax to grind.
No one could prove that the drunk driver that killed my brother in law decided to drive while drunk in his right mind or with malice aforethought and with the knowledge that he would kill someone that night, yet he is in jail and will be until his 10 year sentence is finished.

Being drunk is not an excuse to breaking the law.
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Old 09-12-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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It's like they don't know the difference between defending a rapist and saying an assault may not have happened.

I'm still seeing people on social media maintain that Turner was a spoiled rich kid. That one little lie helped get Judge Persky recalled. I shudder to think how many people will be falsely convicted so judges don't lose their jobs.
If Brock Turner had been a young, non-college educated black male, he'd be in prison right now. We have two systems of justice in our country, one for wealthy and whites, the other one for minorities and poor.
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Old 09-12-2019, 03:12 PM
 
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If Brock Turner had been a young, non-college educated black male, he'd be in prison right now. We have two systems of justice in our country, one for wealthy and whites, the other one for minorities and poor.
I disagree.

I think his perceived wealth and social standing worked against him. I think if this couple had been homeless, there wouldn't have even been charges filed, except maybe public indecency.
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Old 09-12-2019, 04:36 PM
 
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I disagree.

I think his perceived wealth and social standing worked against him. I think if this couple had been homeless, there wouldn't have even been charges filed, except maybe public indecency.
Incarceration rates are highest for black males than any other group. I seriously doubt a black man would have no charges filed against him for the same crime.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:08 AM
 
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Incarceration rates are highest for black males than any other group. I seriously doubt a black man would have no charges filed against him for the same crime.
The category of crime matters.

In my observation, a black couple in this same situation would end up with public intox charges for both of them, and that would be that.

But I won't respond again on this topic, because I don't want to get the thread shut down.
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Old 09-14-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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The clear truth is that an unconscious person can not give consent. Anyone that doesn’t understand that has a very big issue with morality and social and legal boundaries. It’s not even up for debate.
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