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Old 09-24-2019, 04:24 AM
 
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Does anyone think it's a bit weird about the Swedish grad students realizing that she was being assaulted? At first I fed into the good fortune that the brave, caring guys would rescue this woman/catch the guy. But now in thinking about it, If I had stumbled upon Emily/Chantal and Brock I would have thought it was just some horny undergrads having sex outside. I would have averted my eyes. Of course I would have intervened had the woman been yelling and crying for help. But since was passed out this obviously wasn't the case. How did they know she was passed out and just not quiet?
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Old 09-24-2019, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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Does anyone think it's a bit weird about the Swedish grad students realizing that she was being assaulted? At first I fed into the good fortune that the brave, caring guys would rescue this woman/catch the guy. But now in thinking about it, If I had stumbled upon Emily/Chantal and Brock I would have thought it was just some horny undergrads having sex outside. I would have averted my eyes. Of course I would have intervened had the woman been yelling and crying for help. But since was passed out this obviously wasn't the case. How did they know she was passed out and just not quiet?


So you want to throw the people who did the right thing under the bus? for what purpose?
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:30 AM
 
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Why shouldnít she tell her story? If nothing else, maybe it will make young men and women think twice about how their actions affect themselves and others.

I have a long-held (and very unpopular) belief that women have to take some personal responsibility for putting ourselves in situations that make us vulnerable. While it would be ideal for predators to stop preying, itís just not reality. If we arenít vigilant for our own safety, can we expect others to be vigilant for us?

I may read the book to see how/if she addresses the topic of personal responsibility. I think this is where she can really make a difference.
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Old 09-24-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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NPR did a thing as well.

"The case became notorious for its illustration of the race and wealth gap in sentencing,"

"I didn't know that money could make the cell doors swing open."

Why is this still a thing? He was not wealthy. His family was not wealthy.

"i didn't know that if a woman was drunk when the violence occurred, she wouldn't be taken seriously [...] I didn't know that being a victim was synonymous with not being believed."

Take what seriously? Believe what? She.has.no.memory.of.what.happened.

Even NPR is drinking the Kool-Aid.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/23/76202...y-brock-turner
NPR has been going down hill for a while now. I noticed a year or two ago how left they were veering. They and no one else mentions the Sam Ukwuachu case. That black Baylor football player got a 6 month sentence for rape and didn't get any backlash. Doesn't fit the narrative.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...sfer/32145453/


Interesting case though. The verdict got tossed then reinstated then tossed again. Now he's getting a new trial.



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The 10th Court of Appeals ruled Ukwuachu should get a new trial because his "due process rights were violated by the use of false testimony."
https://www.kcentv.com/article/news/...e-0e7ec871bb4d


I think Turner should get a new trial too. He didn't actually have a good lawyer for his trial. That's another myth about the case.


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Does anyone think it's a bit weird about the Swedish grad students realizing that she was being assaulted? At first I fed into the good fortune that the brave, caring guys would rescue this woman/catch the guy. But now in thinking about it, If I had stumbled upon Emily/Chantal and Brock I would have thought it was just some horny undergrads having sex outside. I would have averted my eyes. Of course I would have intervened had the woman been yelling and crying for help. But since was passed out this obviously wasn't the case. How did they know she was passed out and just not quiet?

The sex laws in Sweden are very restrictive. They even have “negligent rape” and “negligent sexual abuse” laws now.

https://www.thelocal.se/20190712/neg...-led-to-change


They were also totally discredited by the forensic report. No one seems to mention that. (doesn't fit the narrative ). They clearly thought that Turner was raping the woman but the forensic exam proved beyond any doubt that no rape occurred.


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So you want to throw the people who did the right thing under the bus? for what purpose?
They didn't do the right thing. they acted like vigilantes and attacked Turner. That's why he ran. They could have just called 911.

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Old 09-26-2019, 05:16 AM
 
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She was unconscious for many hours. She could not give consent and they could see she was unconscious. It’s fairly easy to tell the difference between a conscious and unconscious person.

There was no rape, but she had abrasions and blood from the assault. She had pine needles and detritus in her vagina. It was clearly assault and the students who helped her were right to intervene.
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Old 09-28-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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Does anyone think it's a bit weird about the Swedish grad students realizing that she was being assaulted? At first I fed into the good fortune that the brave, caring guys would rescue this woman/catch the guy. But now in thinking about it, If I had stumbled upon Emily/Chantal and Brock I would have thought it was just some horny undergrads having sex outside. I would have averted my eyes. Of course I would have intervened had the woman been yelling and crying for help. But since was passed out this obviously wasn't the case. How did they know she was passed out and just not quiet?
You raise an excellent point. One I hadn't thought of. I wonder just how it was these 2 "Swedish students" were able to determine she was unconscious, and whether they actually approached Brock/Chanel because they believed she was being assaulted. I'm very curious to read both their police statements and the trial transcripts.

And as an aside, I still haven't figured out why the media insists on repeatedly mentioning that these two "heroes" were from Sweden. What's the relevance? Would it have been pointed out if they were from Nebraska?
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Old 09-28-2019, 04:26 PM
 
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Why shouldnít she tell her story? If nothing else, maybe it will make young men and women think twice about how their actions affect themselves and others.

I have a long-held (and very unpopular) belief that women have to take some personal responsibility for putting ourselves in situations that make us vulnerable. While it would be ideal for predators to stop preying, itís just not reality. If we arenít vigilant for our own safety, can we expect others to be vigilant for us?

I may read the book to see how/if she addresses the topic of personal responsibility. I think this is where she can really make a difference.
Don't hold your breath. To date, Chanel has taken virtually no personal responsibility for her behavior that night. According to her, she simply misjudged that her tolerance had "significantly lowered since college", though college was a mere 6 months earlier. She admittedly has no memory of that night, but somehow she knows she was assaulted. This woman is a professional victim. Read the book if you wish, but get it from the library or online somewhere. Don't pay a dime for it.
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Old 09-28-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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Don't hold your breath. To date, Chanel has taken virtually no personal responsibility for her behavior that night. According to her, she simply misjudged that her tolerance had "significantly lowered since college", though college was a mere 6 months earlier. She admittedly has no memory of that night, but somehow she knows she was assaulted. This woman is a professional victim. Read the book if you wish, but get it from the library or online somewhere. Don't pay a dime for it.
Well, I don't think many women like having pine needles shoved up their vaginas so I doubt she was asking for that to be done to her...if you think lack of memory from passing out qualifies as being unconscious and unable to give consent, then yeah, she was assaulted.
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Old 09-28-2019, 09:43 PM
 
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Well, I don't think many women like having pine needles shoved up their vaginas so I doubt she was asking for that to be done to her...if you think lack of memory from passing out qualifies as being unconscious and unable to give consent, then yeah, she was assaulted.
I honestly have no idea how many women enjoy having pine needles shoved up their vaginas. Like you, I can only assume it's a very small percentage. Can you cite any evidence at all that Brock or anyone else "shoved" pine needles into Chanel's vagina?
Now, before you answer, understand that the mere presence of pine needles in her vagina is not sufficient to indicate that someone "shoved" them there.

I think there's a real question as to whether Chanel gave consent or not, and at what point she passed out. Brock claimed that she consented. SHE DOESN'T REMEMBER.

I'm willing to hear you out renee, but we have to stick to the facts.
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Old 09-29-2019, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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I honestly have no idea how many women enjoy having pine needles shoved up their vaginas. Like you, I can only assume it's a very small percentage. Can you cite any evidence at all that Brock or anyone else "shoved" pine needles into Chanel's vagina?
Now, before you answer, understand that the mere presence of pine needles in her vagina is not sufficient to indicate that someone "shoved" them there.

I think there's a real question as to whether Chanel gave consent or not, and at what point she passed out. Brock claimed that she consented. SHE DOESN'T REMEMBER.

I'm willing to hear you out renee, but we have to stick to the facts.

Yes of course, you are correct!!! Pine needles will attack a womans vagina if she isn't careful!!! smh
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