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Old Yesterday, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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Along with anyone else looking for a cheap source of booze.

In small doses methanol is relatively non-toxic to humans. OTOH if large amounts are consumed that is another story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol#Toxicity

During Prohibition hundreds if not thousands were either killed or left seriously harmed by consumption of methanol or ethanol they either cooked up themselves and or got from bootleggers/questionable sources.

So many were dying that it helped fuel the modern corner profession, which in turn ushered in the era of "corners reports" entered into criminal cases. Previously corners were political hacks with little or no medical experience, and or were simply paid to say what someone wanted them to do. Thus juries didn't often believe a word of their testimony, and as such people literally got away with murder.

There is a great book "The Poisoners Handbook" turned into a PBS program:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR-6auymBOY

Little known story that comes out of Prohibition is that federal government mandated methyl alcohol along with several other contaminants which were poisons to be included in industrial alcohol. This lead to scores if not hundreds of Americans dying from alcohol poisoning.

Industrial alcohols then as now are everywhere. From perfumes to laundry detergents, and so forth. Since obviously then you cannot ban that substance, Congress took other actions knowing fully well that people were illicitly consuming such fluids.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWo8vNRbPyQ
Coroner.
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Old Yesterday, 04:28 PM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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I'm just curious as to why booze? Does it have some special property that makes it desirable for extermination, maybe it's exceedingly cheap, or keeps down the smell of dead rats or something? Why not some other liquid?
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Old Yesterday, 05:23 PM
 
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I'm just curious as to why booze? Does it have some special property that makes it desirable for extermination, maybe it's exceedingly cheap, or keeps down the smell of dead rats or something? Why not some other liquid?
Norway (brown) rat found in NYC and elsewhere is a very capable swimmer. This includes being able to hold breath for (short) periods of time which is how they can "swim" up into toilets.

According to Italian maker of the "Ekomille" the solution "stuns" trapped rodents causing them to die within seconds/minutes.

How It Works



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wed1R7rRuw

Norway and some other species of rats are very good swimmers who likely could thread water long enough to get out of this device. That and or make such a racket other vermin would steer clear. Guess the booze acts like a "Mickey" which knocks them out to prevent.

On another note had no idea Italy had such a bad rat problem.
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Old Yesterday, 05:25 PM
 
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Coroner.
Yes, sorry. GD spell check changed my first incorrect spelling but didn't check the check.

*LOL*
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Old Yesterday, 05:47 PM
 
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Well, yes. Some individuals in any population don't learn.

Just as you see humans trying to cross highways in cities in the wee hours, and they get hit. By and large, humans have learned how to avoid being hit by cars. But not ALL humans.

Just as some rats are just as clueless.

BTW, I watched a street dog in San Antonio navigate the pedestrian crossings, watching for a pedestrian "go" sign before starting out in an intersection crosswalk. We give animals so little credit.

Just looked up the device from their Italian manufacturer. Directions for use follow standard expert extermination practices. That is the device/trap is first baited but not set-up. This gets rats (who are famously shy of new sources of food or objects) used to device along with eating bait. Once bait shyness is overcome the trap is activated.

Again professional exterminators (at least those who know what they are doing and not just taking money from customers) do this all time with various poisons. Idea is to get even older/experienced and thus smarter rats to take bait or enter a trap. Once rats deem something familiar and or food source won't cause illness, they readily will take.

Rodents cannot regurgitate; hence they are very careful about what they eat and how much. Generally only taking small nibbles of new food sources. If it makes them ill, they won't go near again, and worse will contaminate (usually by urination upon) the stuff as a warning to others. Only hope of exterminating comes if the bait can kill in small enough ingested doses that this doesn't really matter.

Problem is such poisons are also lethal or at least dangerous to humans, pets and other animals. Well into the middle of last century you could find rodent poisons with arsenic, fluorine, thallium, strychnine on store shelves (over the counter). That or you could simply buy these raw ingredients to make up your own rodent/insect/vermin control concoctions. There were scores of books aimed at everyone from farmers to housewives that gave recipes.

Problem was the either unintentional or deliberate positioning of humans. Hundreds if not thousands of people were offed by such killings until Charles Norris and Alexander Gettler began elevating forensic medicine into the profession known today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gettler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...dical_examiner)

One famous poisoner who was finally convicted with Dr. Gettler's testimony (after helping her escape conviction in previous trails) was Mary Creighton


https://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com...al-killer.html
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Just looked up the device from their Italian manufacturer. Directions for use follow standard expert extermination practices. That is the device/trap is first baited but not set-up. This gets rats (who are famously shy of new sources of food or objects) used to device along with eating bait. Once bait shyness is overcome the trap is activated.

Again professional exterminators (at least those who know what they are doing and not just taking money from customers) do this all time with various poisons. Idea is to get even older/experienced and thus smarter rats to take bait or enter a trap. Once rats deem something familiar and or food source won't cause illness, they readily will take.

Rodents cannot regurgitate; hence they are very careful about what they eat and how much. Generally only taking small nibbles of new food sources. If it makes them ill, they won't go near again, and worse will contaminate (usually by urination upon) the stuff as a warning to others. Only hope of exterminating comes if the bait can kill in small enough ingested doses that this doesn't really matter.

Problem is such poisons are also lethal or at least dangerous to humans, pets and other animals. Well into the middle of last century you could find rodent poisons with arsenic, fluorine, thallium, strychnine on store shelves (over the counter). That or you could simply buy these raw ingredients to make up your own rodent/insect/vermin control concoctions. There were scores of books aimed at everyone from farmers to housewives that gave recipes.

Problem was the either unintentional or deliberate positioning of humans. Hundreds if not thousands of people were offed by such killings until Charles Norris and Alexander Gettler began elevating forensic medicine into the profession known today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gettler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...dical_examiner)

One famous poisoner who was finally convicted with Dr. Gettler's testimony (after helping her escape conviction in previous trails) was Mary Creighton


https://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com...al-killer.html
I suppose if the city is afraid of liability they have to check to make sure they don't let these traps get set by anyone under 21.
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Old Today, 10:18 AM
 
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The rats will start demanding Brooklyn-made craft beer.
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