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Old Yesterday, 11:08 AM
 
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This will be a big PR win for TB. Very few if any customers will avoid this TB because they are outraged at the treatment of the homeless. On the other hand, many may be more likely to visit this TB knowing they will be secure from the stench and panhandling of vagrants on the premises.


It is not uncommon when I am eating out in urban areas near vagrant populations to be approached looking for a handout, not just entering or leaving, but at my table. If the restaurant quickly notices and chases them off that's one thing but my opinion of the restaurant nose dives if I see someone going table to table asking for money and the waiters are walking past them paying them no mind.
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Old Yesterday, 12:16 PM
 
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and how would this violate the civil rights act of 1964?
I believe the point made is that businesses cannot necessarily always kick out customers and get away with it. If it's based on racial discrimination, they can't.
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Old Yesterday, 12:17 PM
 
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wth? You have totally misread, misjudged and misunderstood every thing I've said here today. So has the other poster. What is wrong with you? I cannot make things clearer than I already have.

Some people beg to be scammed just so they can feel superior to those who have the God-given wisdom to recognize a scammer when we see one.
All homeless people are scammers?

Do you think all these 20 people got together and scammed this woman to buy them Taco Bell food? For real?
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Old Yesterday, 04:02 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I believe the point made is that businesses cannot necessarily always kick out customers and get away with it. If it's based on racial discrimination, they can't.
If that didn't happen here I'm not sure why it's being brought up
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Old Yesterday, 04:08 PM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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I believe the point made is that businesses cannot necessarily always kick out customers and get away with it. If it's based on racial discrimination, they can't.
Talk about a stretch. Are you trying to suggest minorities make up the homeless population or what?
I live in a mostly white area and we have plenty of homeless that come in to use our facilities at work. Many, probably most, have some sort of mental illness. I have actually talked with homeless people who have money, have marketable skills, etc but they choose to be homeless, so it's not always just about poverty.

It's an unfortunate fact that most of the homeless who use our facilities at work do leave a mess, used needles being the worst thing I've ever found. They steal toilet paper, baby changing pads, soap and paper towels, basically anything that isn't locked up. I walked in on one woman stuffing her bag with toilet seat covers the other day. They also tie up the bathrooms and make it impossible or awkward for other customers to use the facilities, nobody wants to use the bathroom with a half dressed customer bathing from the sink.

The occasional homeless person is not generally a big deal, twenty at one time, yeah I think I'd have a problem with that too. It would most definitely affect business and make other customers want to leave.
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Old Yesterday, 04:14 PM
 
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If that didn't happen here I'm not sure why it's being brought up
It's the slippery slope. You can't decide you just don't like people, or like how they look.

That act set the standard for the philosophy that a business that's open to the public needs to be open to the public. Cases in court tight now go different ways, it's a slippery slope when you decide whose rights you violate when you refuse to serve them.

I think everyone can empathize with Taco Bell, that having their restaurant full of people who might not look clean eating food purchased at their restaurant might not be an attractive thing, but where do you draw the line? Where do you decide to tell buying customers they can't be served?

It was CERTAINLY argued by restaurants in the 60's that serving black customers was bad for business in general, and they were right. The lunch counters stood to lose a LOT of business by serving paying customers that others found objectionable.

But hey, you can't refuse them. Nor should you.

Slippery slope.
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Old Yesterday, 04:43 PM
 
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It's the slippery slope. You can't decide you just don't like people, or like how they look.

Yes, you can. As long as it's not one of the protected classes. A business can decide it doesn't want customers with beards, or tattoos, or hats (even MAGA hats), or tennis shoes, or bad grooming, body smell, torn clothing, grease and grime, etc. You draw the line exactly where the law draws it - the specifically named protected classes. Socio-economic class is not a protected class.

It could also decide it doesn't want large groups where only one person is paying. This woman was the only paying customer. She can give away the food if she wants but that doesn't make the other 20 paying customers. A place can impose special rules on groups.

We also do not know anything about how they were acting. Were they loud, wandering about the restaurant, talking to other customers, etc. Did it become argumentative when the cashier said it would be an order to go? How many customers might have pulled into the lot, saw a mob of street people inside, and left?

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Old Yesterday, 05:06 PM
 
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Yes, you can. As long as it's not one of the protected classes. A business can decide it doesn't want customers with beards, or tattoos, or hats (even MAGA hats), or tennis shoes, or bad grooming, body smell, torn clothing, grease and grime, etc. You draw the line exactly where the law draws it - the specifically named protected classes. Socio-economic class is not a protected class.

It could also decide it doesn't want large groups where only one person is paying. This woman was the only paying customer. She can give away the food if she wants but that doesn't make the other 20 paying customers. A place can impose special rules on groups.

We also do not know anything about how they were acting. Were they loud, wandering about the restaurant, talking to other customers, etc. Did it become argumentative when the cashier said it would be an order to go? How many customers might have pulled into the lot, saw a mob of street people inside, and left?
Yes, they can, you're right.

But they have to say it clearly, in the restaurant, on signage and they have to enforce it fairly.

For example, if they said people whose clothing doesn't appear clean and neat can't eat there, they'd have to kick out a construction crew of 4 guys that eats there every lunch.

And no one wants to do that.
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Old Yesterday, 05:24 PM
 
Location: NJ
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It's the slippery slope. You can't decide you just don't like people, or like how they look.

That act set the standard for the philosophy that a business that's open to the public needs to be open to the public. Cases in court tight now go different ways, it's a slippery slope when you decide whose rights you violate when you refuse to serve them.

I think everyone can empathize with Taco Bell, that having their restaurant full of people who might not look clean eating food purchased at their restaurant might not be an attractive thing, but where do you draw the line? Where do you decide to tell buying customers they can't be served?

It was CERTAINLY argued by restaurants in the 60's that serving black customers was bad for business in general, and they were right. The lunch counters stood to lose a LOT of business by serving paying customers that others found objectionable.

But hey, you can't refuse them. Nor should you.

Slippery slope.
it isnt a slippery slope. it is legal activity.
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Old Yesterday, 05:25 PM
 
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it isnt a slippery slope. it is legal activity.
I can't tell what you're saying.
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