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Old Today, 07:35 AM
 
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I hadn't heard about THC cartridges coming from China, it's my understanding they were produced in the US but for the most part sold on the street, not in vape shops
Where would they all be coming from? The US marijuana industry in legal states is very tightly regulated. There are strict limits to how much you can buy and they know how much there is being manufactured. Now all of a sudden here in New Jersey where it’s not legal I can get cartridges on the street? Everyone I know who smokes now uses cartridges. How is that possible that there would be thousands and thousands of unaccounted for THC cartridges in NJ? It’s not possible in this tightly regulated industry.

So where are they are all coming from, is China although I suppose some are made in the United States but made llegally. If you go on Amazon and eBay, you can buy the empty cartridges in bulk, and these are designed for counterfeiters. Even a year ago, there were many many articles online about how to try to tell if yours are real or fake. The consensus of most of the articles is, if you are in a state where it’s not legal and you have some they are probably counterfeit.

Just legalizing it across the country would go along way toward solving this problem of kids dying and getting sick. Now they’re just going to ban flavored e-cigarette’s in a knee-jerk reaction, and so some industrious folks in China are probably busy making them now too and they’ll be less safe then they are now. Banning things has a long history in this country, and most normally simply results in a thriving black market.
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Old Today, 08:06 AM
 
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I dont take this seriously, I mean, Cmon, there have been around 6 deaths related to these modern Ecigs and vaping...but when you look at regular cigarettes, they kill 500K every year and NO ONE even suggests banning them?!!!
Over 500 pulmonary injuries on record right now that are serious enough to land people onto vents in the ICU.

It happens suddenly. They're saying all of a sudden from out of nowhere the chest of a vaper tightens and every breath becomes a struggle. Lung biopsies reveal alveolar tissue coated with what appears, as some doctors have described, to be "bacon grease," and what others describe as "hardened e-liquid oil."

Aside from the oily substances, and fatty deposits known as lipoid (it means fats) pneumonia, glycols are solvents. Lungs weren't designed to breathe propylene glycol, nor glycerin. (Propylene glycol is also a neurotoxin.) Lungs were designed to breathe air.
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Old Today, 08:19 AM
 
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It is odd to me, however, that flavors are banned while nicotine in any form goes on and on and on.
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Old Today, 08:31 AM
 
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And here we go (this won't be controversial at all)...





It just seems funny that you guys are terming it "sick," "disgusting," and "nasty," yet you willfully did it. Now that you've quit, you're looking down on those who do. Seems very common with people who quit something. "I tried it but never got addicted." Thank your lucky stars, I guess?

I'm not a smoker, but I never get the rage against them. Ex-smokers can be the worst. (Like ex-overweighters, ex-alcoholics, etc....)

No saint like a reformed sinner.
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Old Today, 08:35 AM
 
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It's perfectly normal for an ex-smoker to feel this way once they've left the darkness and stepped into the light. Suck it up, buttercup.
When my mother quit, it didn't bother her. She kept ashtrays for guests and let people smoke in her car.
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Old Today, 09:36 AM
 
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It's perfectly normal for an ex-smoker to feel this way once they've left the darkness and stepped into the light. Suck it up, buttercup.
nah... just like anything else (weight loss, going vegetarian, born again X, etc..) it is a sign of insecurities and a move to boost ego.

It isn't normal to stand on your accomplishments and look down on others that haven't or don't care.
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Old Today, 10:39 AM
 
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Nicotine gum needs to make a comeback. Safest way to consume, clean, non-offensive. It’s just ridiculously overpriced because it’s marketed to tobacco quitters.
Or you can just quit. I did. It takes a few days for the nicotine to come out of your system. After that it’s all psychological. As a former smoker I can tell you that if you want to quit I mean really want to it’s doable. I’ve gone through the “I want to quit” stage but didn’t really so the gum didn’t work. When I actually wanted to quit I literally put out my cigarette gave my pack of smokes away and never touched it again. I never had the cravings. It was like turning off a switch. It’s been 15/16 years and I never felt the craving.
I don’t care if people smoke. Just don’t smoke in my house or my car. I don’t enjoy the smell of cigarette smoke. When you smoke you really can’t smell it. But now? The smell is horrible
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Old Today, 10:41 AM
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Aside from the oily substances, and fatty deposits known as lipoid (it means fats) pneumonia, glycols are solvents. Lungs weren't designed to breathe propylene glycol, nor glycerin. (Propylene glycol is also a neurotoxin.) Lungs were designed to breathe air.
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It is odd to me, however, that flavors are banned while nicotine in any form goes on and on and on.

Propylene glycol is a primary ingredient in anti-freeze and used in chemical manufacturing. In its infinite wisdom, the FDA has approved it for use in foods, cosmetics, and medications. It's used to prevent caking of dried foods like dry soup mixes, keeping foods like shredded coconut and marshmallows moist, and in flavorings in all kinds of foods from soda to ice cream. One extra drop of flavored PG in a quart of ice cream makes it inedible, and I won't even use it. It's thoroughly disgusting and needs to be banned from human ingestion.
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Old Today, 10:41 AM
 
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It's perfectly normal for an ex-smoker to feel this way once they've left the darkness and stepped into the light. Suck it up, buttercup.
Says the person with a username that's slang for an addictive substance.

When are you going to leave the darkness and see the light?
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Old Today, 10:58 AM
 
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Over 500 pulmonary injuries on record right now that are serious enough to land people onto vents in the ICU.

It happens suddenly. They're saying all of a sudden from out of nowhere the chest of a vaper tightens and every breath becomes a struggle. Lung biopsies reveal alveolar tissue coated with what appears, as some doctors have described, to be "bacon grease," and what others describe as "hardened e-liquid oil."

Aside from the oily substances, and fatty deposits known as lipoid (it means fats) pneumonia, glycols are solvents. Lungs weren't designed to breathe propylene glycol, nor glycerin. (Propylene glycol is also a neurotoxin.) Lungs were designed to breathe air.

But e-cigs have been around in this country since 2006, and popular for at least the last 5 years. Yet it is only now that people are getting sick, all at once, and only a very small percentage of consumers who use them. That points to contamination, not vaping in general. If all of a sudden 500 people started getting sick from Pizza Hut, they wouldn't conclude pizza is bad for you, they'd look at contamination.


95% of all e-cigarettes are made in China. China has a history of sending us contaminated products whether it's pet food or flooring or any number of things. But again we love to demonize an industry as a whole, and this looks like a win-win for politicians so they are going to jump on it. Never mind the fact the majority of the people who died or got sick were known to or admitted to using THC cartridges, which outside of legal states are almost all counterfeit. But even those who didn't and only used e-cigs are vaping e-cigs that came from largely unregulated Chinese factories. To me it's ridiculous not to look at contamination as the most likely cause.


In the meantime, regular cigarettes kill half a million Americans each year, and they continue to be legal and easily accessible. And the same politicians from the Carolinas and other tobacco-dependent states who are joining the push to ban e-cigarettes would fight to the death to prevent smoking tobacco from being banned. It's all BS to make it look like they are so very concerned with the health of our youth. Those pols are probably leading the push to ban e-cigs not due to health concerns, but because they affect the market for tobacco.

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