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Old 09-24-2019, 08:02 AM
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Right, exactly. There's contamination in some batches and I think they were most likely counterfeit, whether e-cigs or more probably THC cartridges.
I agree. Oil, most commonly olive oil or e-acetate is used to thicken THC concentrate, there is no other advantage to adding it except to be able to make more profit. I would not be surprised to find out that some people who became ill are not wanting to admit they vaped THC or CBD especially in a state where Marijuana is still illegal. I can't think of a single reason why anyone would add an oil to nicotine base e-juice. Here's an excellent article about it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...3fe_story.html
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Old 09-24-2019, 03:36 PM
 
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So they are claiming 5 million people are vaping. Like 9 have died. That's less than 1%. How is this a crisis?? If you cannot figure out that you are inhaling what you are exhaling at that quantity of smoke then you deserve to get the lung disease due to being so stupid.

It's natural selection at it's best..
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Old 09-24-2019, 04:17 PM
 
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So they are claiming 5 million people are vaping. Like 9 have died. That's less than 1%. How is this a crisis?? If you cannot figure out that you are inhaling what you are exhaling at that quantity of smoke then you deserve to get the lung disease due to being so stupid.

It's natural selection at it's best..
Less than 1% of people who vape dying is not indicative of natural selection. Any more than 3 people dying from salmonella in Taco Bell green onions was natural selection. It’s more indicative of contamination in the product those people smoked IMO.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:51 PM
 
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It started in an area and now has started to extend like any other drug distribution.

Think, ten years of vaping and just the last few months people die, with some only vaping for a short time. This should tell you even old idiots can die from adding sh#t to the vape. Iím not saying that vaping nicotine is good, but itís far better than cigarettes. People want to get high and thus add anything that will fulfill that need, and some die.
Support your statement that vaping fatalities started in one area. The fact that they were first correlated and reported in one area is not indicative that there was a single point of origin.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:54 PM
 
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People over 50 vape THC too. This is a new outbreak of sickness, yet people have been vaping for a decade. I actually joined a (nicotine) vaping forum years ago. If people were getting sick then it would have been known.
Really? Because an online vaping forum already existed? Are all you online vapers that astute in medical matters to have made the correlation when medical professionals did not?
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Old 09-24-2019, 08:09 PM
 
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Really? Because an online vaping forum already existed? Are all you online vapers that astute in medical matters to have made the correlation when medical professionals did not?
I’m not in a forum now, it was maybe 7 years or so ago when I was trying to switch from cigarettes to vaping. I joined it because I was going to buy a refillable vs disposable e-cig, and didn’t know what kind. These people had a whole culture around it, it was almost like a hobbyist forum. Very active, and there were many of them.

I never said I or they know more than scientist or anyone else. I reference the forum in response to a poster who stated that they were probably deaths in the past but that people would not have been talking about it or known about them.. I maintain that if that had been happening, that forum would’ve been talking about it even if no one else was.

Again, people have been vaping for probably a decade now. Why all of a sudden are there these illnesses and deaths? Wouldn’t it be far more likely that the people who have been vaping for 10 years we develop the diseases more so than those who pretty recently took it up?

Of course it would. Everything about this points to contaminated product versus the product itself. This makes sense to me as the majority of people who have gotten sick have admitted to using THC cartridges as well as e-cigarette’s. And I know that the majority of cartridges in non-legal states are counterfeit. Medical professionals do not yet know what is causing this. They know that they all vaped, that’s all they know at this point. Yeah people are ready to put a bunch of companies out of business without even waiting to see what the cause actually is.

Meanwhile, Philip Morris CEO is counting his profits while probably 1000 people died today from his product.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:08 PM
 
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I dont take this seriously, I mean, Cmon, there have been around 6 deaths related to these modern Ecigs and vaping...but when you look at regular cigarettes, they kill 500K every year and NO ONE even suggests banning them?!!!


Lots of people say "its all about the money"...but if that is true, Ecigs are selling very well right now...why would they want to throw a wrench into that and loose revenue? Doesnt make sense.


Medical experts and doctors knew how dangerous cigarettes were in the 90s and that didnt change the fact our high school allowed students to smoke, they had a smoking lounge, students could fire up between classes or at lunch...point is, they KNEW how dangerous it was and still allowed schools to have smoking areas for students, Im not sure why they are acting like they care so much now, I dont think its fooling anyone though.

Huh? I went to high school long before the 90s, and no freaking way were we allowed to smoke anywhere near the school.
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:57 PM
 
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Huh? I went to high school long before the 90s, and no freaking way were we allowed to smoke anywhere near the school.
Like I said, this was the only school in the area that did allow it.


It wasnt a big concern back in those days, parents knew the school had it, NO ONE ever made a fuss about it, heck even when I was in 7th grade at the middle school, no one really spoke up or said anything about all the kids who stood on the corner smoking before school, during lunch and after school...different times I guess.
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Old 09-25-2019, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Support your statement that vaping fatalities started in one area. The fact that they were first correlated and reported in one area is not indicative that there was a single point of origin.
The fact that it was reported that Illinois reported the first, followed by Indiana, Kansas, and Minnesota, not necessarily in that order, may not be the single point of origin, it makes it highly suspect. Again logic comes into play. No matter how much you wish the total vaping industry is to blame does not make it so. I place the blame on individual choice of adding or buying untested products.
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Old 09-25-2019, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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Huh? I went to high school long before the 90s, and no freaking way were we allowed to smoke anywhere near the school.
I went to school in the 90s... Kids Grade Grades 10+ were allowed to smoke in a designated area behind the school. This was still in effect as of 2002. Not sure about now.
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