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Old 09-25-2019, 06:44 AM
 
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The important part of the article.



The rest of the article explained that the cop should have used de escalation techniques, and discussed the devastating effects the arrests will have on the children's development. Hopefully the families sue and win big.

The only answer is suing? Wrong. The answer is waking up to the fact that their child is out of control for whatever reason and do something before the situation escalates and she hurts or kills someone. She kicked a teacher so already has no qualms about hurting an adult. You have to wonder what she does to others in the class and what happened to make her decide to hurt her teacher. Was she asked to sit down, quit talking, do her work page, read etc. ? We don't know unless we were there. Without help of counselling this child may end up later as a teen hurting or killing her grandma when she eventually tells her no. What the school and her Grandma needs to do is get her tested, get her into counselling, get Grandma and any other family members into group counselling so they work together to help this child. Wait too long and she becomes the community problem.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Call it a hunch, but I don't think deescalation techniques would work on this child. And what do you do if the child is already hitting another child or teacher? Even small children can do a lot of damage to another small child. How long are you going to work on deescalation when the child is kicking and hitting someone else's kid and if you're the parent of the kid being hit, how laid back are you going to be about it?



I can assure you that any plan that would have been put into action would have resulted in the grandmother of this girl having a fit about it.


The biggest problem is the children with the most difficulties in school and the ones who are the most violent and bullying are the ones who don't have parents at home that care about it. Ask any teacher how many parents they get showing up on parent-teacher nights or how many parents show concern about their child being a bully.

Yet if their children act up, those parents are always the first ones to complain about how the problem is handled. In fact, many of them complain because the think it's the school's fault their kids are like this in the first place.

Today we have way too many parents thinking "it takes a village" means the village is going to do all the parenting work for them and they don't have to lift a finger to raise their kids.

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OK, so the officer was fired and the little girl won't be facing charges. In addition to this, she's gotten tons of media attention and probably even has the idea that what she did was OK, since she probably wasn't punished for it.

Two questions: 1) What do you think the odds are she'll be kicking her teachers again very shortly and with more impunity and 2) With the understanding the school is helpless to stop her, what do you think she'll be like when she's 13 or 14 years old?

I still also question the sleep apnea part of this. Maybe it's a case of where the child simply isn't made to go to bed when she should because she throws a temper tantrum when the grandmother tries to get her to go to sleep. God knows, we have plenty of parents who let their kids stay up late night after night with school the next day. You only have to go into a late showing at a movie theater to see those parents bringing their 5 and 6 year olds out to movies starting at 9pm and later.
Why do we assume theyíre helpless to stop her? Or that Grandma would throw a fit about a behavior plan, Etc...

Let her finish the tantrum, address it with her then. Remove her from the classroom, donít give in to her desire for a reaction. Trying to talk to a kid thatís super wound up in hysterics is unproductive.

It sounds like this precipitated when someone in the principals office grabbed her wrist.

I agree it takes a village and this ultimately sent a bad message to the kid. But this really rests on the school or SRO.

And sleep apnea does happen with kids. My brother had it badly til her was four; it wasnít until an older relative slept in the same room and said ďhe snores and he sits up five times an hour in his sleep.Ē It ended up being tonsils and adenoids. If old aunt Myra hadnít stayed over that night, and hadnít had a nursing degree to recognize what wasnít normal, who knows what would have happened?
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:30 AM
 
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Exactly. Now when the police gets the call, they will ask "What is your emergency?"

This was the school resource officer. He was on site. I think most schools have resource officers now.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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lol Except he WAS wrong, and the cop was punished for it

But police are always presumed right by the state (prosecutors) until proven otherwise and police are never challenged by the state in trial. They are presumed right by the state, subject to further investigation. It is a criminal act to lie to police, but they are free to lie to civilians and regularly do.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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I'm not sure if this was meant as sarcasm...but in actuality, she wasn't booked, wasn't fingerprinted, no mug shot, no bail, not a flight risk. lol

Was she ever actually placed under arrest, and read her rights? Or just detained'
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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Was she ever actually placed under arrest, and read her rights? Or just detained'
Per the news station linked to in the OP, they arrested her, took her to juvenile hall, fingerprinted her, the whole nine yards. Parent notified afterward.
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Old 09-26-2019, 03:19 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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A juvenile does have a right to be Mirandized.

https://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/...ights_read.htm
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Old 09-26-2019, 04:00 AM
 
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This was the school resource officer. He was on site. I think most schools have resource officers now.
What is their purpose for being on site?
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Old 09-26-2019, 04:09 AM
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Location: NJ
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What is their purpose for being on site?
To provide security and be a liaison between the school and the police. Clearly this guy thought it was to arrest little children
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Old 09-26-2019, 04:44 AM
 
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To provide security and be a liaison between the school and the police. Clearly this guy thought it was to arrest little children
Maybe more details would be helpful. I don't think there is a security problem when a 6 year old is having a tantrum. I am having trouble understanding why he was called.
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